Message to AGD:

[Warwitch]

Would you rather they made a half-assed product and did a good job of selling it?

Thats the SmartParts way

[rawbutter]

I really don't know how AGD is just going to come back unless they sold out on what they are. What sells today is clone electro guns with a million types of crazy milling on the same 2-3 designs.

I agree. I think that AGD needs to stay true to their vision/intent (whatever you want to call it). All of us buy AGD products because we understand what AGD is about and we appreciate their quality products, and I think that there are thousands of others out there just like us. The only problem is that they don't even know that AGD exists.

Therefore, I think the only real problem that AGD is facing is a lack of education for the masses... a lack of good marketing.

Personally, I've really given serious thought to writing a screenplay about paintball (I've written a few other screenplays before)... kind of like The Karate Kid, except instead of the main character learning karate, he's taught how to play paintball by an older, experienced player with a classic mag. The kid thinks that paintball is all about having the fastest gun and shooting the most players, but the old mentor shows him that it's more about sportsmanship, fair play, and challenging yourself. The kid would learn how to play paintball in stages... starting with a pump, moving onto a semi, and then finally ending with an e-mag or pneumag.

A movie like that would be a good coming-of-age story, and it would also serve as a marketing tool for AGD. I just have to get around to writing the darn thing.

[Toll]

As much as I love the railgun idea, I just don't see it being viable when we already have a low cost, relatively effective system in place that the railgun does not really replace


Instead of a 2dollar fill of a nitro tank, we have a car battery of unknown life. If we could recharge it and have it hold for..lets say, 2000 rounds, then I'd perk my ears.

What innovation does it bring? What makes it special? Will the ball always fly in the same direction at the exact same speed because it is propelled by a standardized force or will it be less accurate than our current system?

Will it be able to take a hit? How bout the rain? What happens if paint breaks?

big stuff :

Rate of fire
Battery life
kick?
Duribility?
Price?
Consitency?



In my head it would be a very expensive woodsball marker with the highlights being consistency, no sound and due to slow fire rate, no tank, if you're using "special" paintballs then they could most likely be used in a magazine sort of way.


I like the creativity though

[Smoothice]

The kid would learn how to play paintball in stages... starting with a pump, moving onto a semi, and then finally ending with an e-mag or pneumag.

Were you watching North Shore when you had this idea for your screen play. Basically the exact thing you are describing but with surfboards instead.

[cyrus-the-virus]

Haven't posted here in a while...

I really don't know how AGD is just going to come back unless they sold out on what they are. What sells today is clone electro guns with a million types of crazy milling on the same 2-3 designs.

AGD I am sure could easily hop on board but what do you think AO and the whole following would think of that?

AGD Ego-Shocker-Mag? Gross thought really. Mags are amazing - the consumers of the mainstream simply aren't.

I'd be happy to just see the mag following maintained and fed. Great people, great guns. Few years ago I suggested AGD teaming up with all the loyal guys who now produce aftermarket for the mags. Why not collaborate?

2:45am and I could just be dreaming. Then again I came back here for some reason I guess. Nice seeing you all again. Big "hey!" to Tom. Hope you're doing great. Big wave to office lady too

A comercial version of the logic ripper mag could put AGD back in the main stream.

it has eyes
it has a micro switch
it'sgot cheater modes,
it's electronic

Everything the main stream wants.

[questionful]

Quest,

The spring you describe sounds great but can not be made. In any case, the RT valve does slam wide open for full flow and then slams shut. The spring around the poppet valve actually has little to do with it, its all in the air flow against the piston. Keep thinking up ideas though!

AGD

Aw maaaaan! lol

Though I meant the regulator spring, not the valve pin spring. I know the RT valve slams shut really fast, but I was going for even faster. I know it would probably be a high price/improvement trade-off, and I'm fine with my co2-fed classic mag's BPS, but you know. . . if mags can do 36bps right now, who knows what a faster regulator would do. I will think of other ideas for now, but some day I will continue with this one.

[jade_monkey07]

accually me and my buddy were talking about this last weekend at the local field. Would have to be funny too :P

Personally, I've really given serious thought to writing a screenplay about paintball (I've written a few other screenplays before)... kind of like The Karate Kid, except instead of the main character learning karate, he's taught how to play paintball by an older, experienced player with a classic mag. The kid thinks that paintball is all about having the fastest gun and shooting the most players, but the old mentor shows him that it's more about sportsmanship, fair play, and challenging yourself. The kid would learn how to play paintball in stages... starting with a pump, moving onto a semi, and then finally ending with an e-mag or pneumag.

A movie like that would be a good coming-of-age story, and it would also serve as a marketing tool for AGD. I just have to get around to writing the darn thing.

[SR_matt]

ok basicaly i got lazy to read past page 1 but heres a variation on the big idea that this thread was started for.

instead of using the rail gun idea to launch the ball just use the same tech to move the bolt forward and back then use what ever valve system u want or want not but its a way to use the tech and might be able to provide more consistent dwell or some other things, just kinda thinking out loud

-matt

[questionful]

ok basicaly i got lazy to read past page 1 but heres a variation on the big idea that this thread was started for.

instead of using the rail gun idea to launch the ball just use the same tech to move the bolt forward and back then use what ever valve system u want or want not but its a way to use the tech and might be able to provide more consistent dwell or some other things, just kinda thinking out loud

-matt

That's an extremely expensive way to replace blowforward.

[punkrex]

I'm not so sure that the Navy would implement a railgun unless it was to experiment. Rails guns are highly inefficient. Single shots via a high voltage capacitor bank if 100's of thousands + Farads is an event. There is a big trade off between the amount of juice to the mass and velocity of the object. Rapid fire shots from a railgun is a novel idea at best.

[SR_matt]

never said it was cost effective, just throwing ideas out

a ferrari is an expensive way to replace a honda when your just daily driving it

-matt

[questionful]

a ferrari is an expensive way to replace a honda when your just daily driving it

-matt

A rail gun doesn't help you get laid!

[Lomarandil]

They don't?
Durn..

Anyone got a new project for me?
Lo

[grEnAlEins]

Also, thinking outside the box, this railgun idea would work if.................you had some conductive material in the shell of the paintball. Nothing solid, but something that the magnetic field could grab on to. That would eliminate the need for a bolt, and the problem of returning the bolt to the pre-fire position. That, of course would depend on having a ball manufacturer willing to also think outside the box.

Not an issue. I believe TK still owns Perfect Circle Paintball... That would be a help.

Besides that though, I think it would just take too much power. I have no need to walk around with a huge battery in a backpack...

[questionful]

I guess it would qualify as food-grade if you called it an iron dietary supplement?