Just saw police using paintball gun to subdue criminal.......

[Warwitch]

touche

[Muzikman]

All forms of less-leathal have their place. If I had to control a crowd I would not want to do it with billy clubs.

The issue in Boston was do to the fact that the guy firing it was not just pooly trained, he had not been trained at all. I also think the way they sell and market the FN303 is wrong. They market as a Less-Than-Lethal weapon (stated that way right on the box). It give people the sense that they can fire randomly into a crowd and since it's less than leathal, no one will get hurt. The fact is, you fire any form of less than leathal round into a crowd and you can have a fatality.

These have been posted before, but I'll post them again.

[Piranti]

Now where have I seen valves nearly identical in operation....

[Cow hunter]

there was a thread very similiar to this one a while ago. im pretty sure the FN303 is made by AGD

[Rudz]

there was a thread very similiar to this one a while ago. im pretty sure the FN303 is made by AGD

THE VALVE IS MADE BY AGD, NOT THE GUN, JUST THE VALVE

[questionful]

there was a thread very similiar to this one a while ago. im pretty sure the FN303 is made by AGD

Everyone is using the term "designed the valve", so I'm pretty sure they don't make it.

[Beemer]

All forms of less-leathal have their place. If I had to control a crowd I would not want to do it with billy clubs.

The issue in Boston was do to the fact that the guy firing it was not just pooly trained, he had not been trained at all. I also think the way they sell and market the FN303 is wrong. They market as a Less-Than-Lethal weapon (stated that way right on the box). It give people the sense that they can fire randomly into a crowd and since it's less than leathal, no one will get hurt. The fact is, you fire any form of less than leathal round into a crowd and you can have a fatality.

These have been posted before, but I'll post them again.

Isnt a paintball gun considered less then leathal. I mean geez 300FPS[204MPH] with a three point five gram projectile even with some safety protection [eyes] can do some damage.

Thanks for posting those again. Its a great pictorial.

[MANN]

That sear looks familiar also.

At a second glance that body could very easily pass for a xmag prototype (upside down of course).

Now off to find one of these.

[mr doo doo]

wow, that is like a mag, exactly! pretty cool... would like to see those near my neighborhood.

[SCpoloRicker]

rudz, you're doing it wrong. Jesus.

[Muzikman]

That sear looks familiar also.

At a second glance that body could very easily pass for a xmag prototype (upside down of course).

Now off to find one of these.

Good luck. I only know of two that are in private hands. Mine and Simon (Manike). If he still has his, maybe he would sell it.

[rkjunior303]

They are direct impact projectiles, not a bounding type. They are supposed to hurt.

exactly.. you're just not supposed to shoot someone in the FACE with one.

[Muzikman]

Isnt a paintball gun considered less then leathal. I mean geez 300FPS[204MPH] with a three point five gram projectile even with some safety protection [eyes] can do some damage.

Thanks for posting those again. Its a great pictorial.

I would fully agree. You can kill someone pretty easily if you fire even just a normal paintball gun and normal balls into a crowd of unprotected people.

[Muzikman]

tom kaye designed the valve, the fn303 has been discussed over and over here on ao, it was used when the red sox won the world series and a riot ensued, the poorly trained officers killed a woman, it was removed from use in that department, the first and last time they used the fn303, now its mostly used for military

BTW, AGD didn't just design the valve. They desgiend the entire workings of the gun. From the valve, to the trigger to the air source, to the loader to the rounds used.

[AGD]

Muz is correct. We designed the entire system. In the final form the only thing we were not involved with was the plastic clam shell and the aluminum chassis that holds the valve.

We manufactured all the valve components for the actual weapons and tested the working valves before they left our factory. FN had all the plastic stuff made and did the final assembly there.

Our other company PCP continues to make ALL the FN and pepper filled rounds. We did however sell off the round ball portion of PCP to Security With Advanced Technology (SWAT) a publicly traded company. We STILL make the round balls for SWAT they basically own the patents etc.

Just to clear up the continuing confusion..

AGD