Inside Edition picks up on Contois Tragedy

[RogueFactor]

Rogue there is no way around it, you make and sell parts for a gun that is known for it's capability to bounce. It's been banned from tournaments because of it's capability to bounce, and what is bounce? Might as well be uncontroulable ramp.

CKYAlliance:

There is no way around it. There is no similarity between a mechanical marker that requires user modification to make it work different than intended and an electro marker that comes ready from the factory to ramp. Clearly AGD doesnt intend for the Mag to bounce, and clearly ramping markers come from the factory set-up to do so.

And so this is clear....bounce and ramp are the same thing. Anything that is more than 1-shot per pull is the same--no matter what its called(bounce, full-auto, runaway, ramp, auto-response, etc etc). So I agree. I dont like, condone, or advise on how to MODIFY a marker to make it bounce. And I dont make parts that induce bounce.

And FYI--- The Mag in bouncing mode is not banned from the CFOA tournaments. The CFOA had the wisdom to see the hypocrisy of other tournament series that ban bounce, and not ramp.

[Dark Side]

When you consider the lives that have been ruined by this tragedy, especially the young man who feels responsible for his mother's death, the father seems to show remarkable reason and restraint. He doesn't appear to be on a ban paintball campaign or filled with the blind anger that such a loss can bring. I'd like to shake his hand. He's a good role model for his kids. The $8 million will be well spent and we ought to be willing to do our part at our local fields to make safety the #1 priority.

QFT!

So consumers who purchase your frame can't mod it so that there gun operates from a ramping board, that is mountable because of your frame. I believe it has been done a few times.

So his frames should be solid blocks of billet?

Ok, so you know that Automags, the marker you make aftermarket parts for, is capable of bouncing and is very capable of having runaway bounce (and is generally set up to bounce, which is like uncontrolable ramp) but yet you still make parts for them...even if it is the valve you are still aware of the danger, yet you still produce parts.

I don't blame you for making parts for them,seeing how you are one of few, but don't rant about how dangerous ramping is and then make parts for a marker that does the (pratically) same thing, but less controlable. There for in your book just as dangerous.

Is there an adequate solution to stop Mags from having uncontrolled bounce? Let's find it and push on from that. Blaming someone for making parts for Mags (since it will undoubtedly make the inevitable chance that someone will be hurt by bounce far more likely) no matter who it is (whether they think I'm a puppet or not) is completely asinine. Rogue doesn't condone bounce, or electros for that matter (trust me; I've spent plenty of hours on the phone speaking to him about the game and the parts he designs/builds). He builds parts, whoopee. Anything in this game is inherently dangerous no matter how many people believe otherwise. It could be said that all of us condone its dangers because we are here. Let the guy push for safety. After all; what you do with the final product is your own doing. The final consequences of those actions are yours and yours alone. No matter what happens.

[Chronobreak]

KEE is very serious about making sure this does not happen again, or doing the best they can.

In my latest order i recieved two nice large poster detailing proper filling procedure, weighing tanks to be sure they are not overfilled, as well as making sure there is a Burst disk installed.

also a nice little diagram just like on all the new tanks of what a seperated valve looks like and a large warning.

I think a pre emptive one for HPA would also not be a bad idea.

and while were at it one for goggles that specifys goggles in all field areas, checking for possible mask failures and that it is an ASTM certified goggle.

and yes im serious, i say that because alot of my post are sarcastic but i really think this is a good move on their part

--il be posting these on the wall by the fills tation at work

[Zone Drifter]

Freak accidents happen, It just is devastating that it happened to someone who wasn't even playing. It's hard to warn players about dangers when they choose not to listen, and it's hard to educate a new kid on the dangers of compressed air when all he wants to do it go shoot people. Then again, it's not just kids. I've known people to disregard the limits of things like quick disconnects and fittings, and it's a miracle that it didnt blow up in their face.

[SCpoloRicker]

I wholeheartedly agree with RF in regards to the lack of proper safety standards in paintball; tank safety, barrel obstruction safety, mask standards, and multiple concussions in a short period are all very valid issues.

/washes self off...

[Automagsam]

I'm sorry these parents were morons. What are they doing getting a ten year old kid a paintball gun, I'm sorry but that is called irresponsible parenting. A ten year old SHOULD NOT be playing with such an object, and the parents should have half the ounce of bains to not get him a gun. I don't even think 13 and 14 year olds can be trusted with guns the way the world is now, but 10 year olds should never be given such an item, this just irks me really bad, cause then like this case an "accident" happens the parents get mad and make a big deal about it, yes don't get me wrong it is sad, but this was just plain ignoran on the parents side. -Sam

[SCpoloRicker]

I don't even think 13 and 14 year olds can be trusted with guns the way the world is now, but 10 year olds should never be given such an item, this just irks me really bad, cause then like this case an "accident" happens the parents get mad and make a big deal about it, yes don't get me wrong it is sad, but this was just plain ignoran on the parents side. -Sam

We should figure out some way to legislate the possesion of these 'guns' you speak of.

/Methinks this will go over very, very well.

[Beemer]

I wholeheartedly agree with RF in regards to the lack of proper safety standards in paintball; tank safety, barrel obstruction safety, mask standards, and multiple concussions in a short period are all very valid issues.

/washes self off...

Oh really. Proper safety standards. They did THAT with ASTM but thats just voluntary. Paintball got into the ASTM just to keep the CPSC off their backs.

Lets see in two different threads we got four dings.

1. ASTM [JJ brookshire}
2. CPSC [Scott J. Wolfson, a spokesman]
3. Painball expert. [Jerry]
4. Victims husband who made a promise.

Much politics nobody pays attention to.

[ThePixelGuru]

In my latest order i recieved two nice large poster detailing proper filling procedure, weighing tanks to be sure they are not overfilled, as well as making sure there is a Burst disk installed.

Wow, that's a great way to generate a lot of awareness. Imaging if PBGear.com and other big retailers started doing that. Safety posters everywhere = more time thinking about safety. Hope other companies pick up on that, that's sweet.

I'm sorry these parents were morons. What are they doing getting a ten year old kid a paintball gun, I'm sorry but that is called irresponsible parenting. A ten year old SHOULD NOT be playing with such an object, and the parents should have half the ounce of bains to not get him a gun. I don't even think 13 and 14 year olds can be trusted with guns the way the world is now, but 10 year olds should never be given such an item, this just irks me really bad, cause then like this case an "accident" happens the parents get mad and make a big deal about it, yes don't get me wrong it is sad, but this was just plain ignoran on the parents side. -Sam

...Are you serious? Parents brought their kid to a paintball field, mother was killed by an unsafe tank. Please tell me a) how the kid's age had anything at all to do with that and b) how a 10 year old child with no relation to an unsafe tank means "blame the parents"?