rental advice

[StygShore]

BT-4 Rentals ( they have green parts and say rental rigth on them )

They can be had for way sub 100.00 and seem to be as durable as the 98's and alittle easier to work on


Styg


I know pricing from PMI is REALLY nice if you buy them in quantity

[bryceeden]

I just got off the phone with AGD and with alittle luck I'll be able to just get mags. I still maintain I could still get Phantoms they'd work well, but I'm afraid my renters would hate it.

[93civiccpe]

I remember not too long ago national decided to clear their inventory of Emags and sold them for a low enough price to make most of us cry.. one of the fields in New York called immediately when he saw the flyer and bought just about all of them to use as rentals... I need to visit that field.

Anyways, I've seen my share of these issues while working as a tech at one of the local fields. The owner was pretty stubborn insisting that we make the 98 customs and spyder knock-offs work, but it was just a mess. Finally I brought in a mag with the lvl-10 set up properly and demonstrated why it wouldn't break paint and be worth the investment. The owner liked the idea, but was too cheap... they are still cleaning those 98's daily.. what a shame.

Anyways, one of the fields I used to visit had classic mags as rentals and it was a blast to play there, especially when they upgraded to lvl-10 bolts. Made for a very fun day of play.

[bryceeden]

I remember not too long ago national decided to clear their inventory of Emags and sold them for a low enough price to make most of us cry.. one of the fields in New York called immediately when he saw the flyer and bought just about all of them to use as rentals... I need to visit that field.

Anyways, I've seen my share of these issues while working as a tech at one of the local fields. The owner was pretty stubborn insisting that we make the 98 customs and spyder knock-offs work, but it was just a mess. Finally I brought in a mag with the lvl-10 set up properly and demonstrated why it wouldn't break paint and be worth the investment. The owner liked the idea, but was too cheap... they are still cleaning those 98's daily.. what a shame.

Anyways, one of the fields I used to visit had classic mags as rentals and it was a blast to play there, especially when they upgraded to lvl-10 bolts. Made for a very fun day of play.

When Paintball Inc called it quits years ago I had the opportunity to get a bunch of classic and minimags for below $100 a piece. Its kind of one of those things where I look back and really wish I'd picked a bunch of them up but it was durring a hard time for my store and I decided to pass on them.

[Shane-O-Mac]

Ok, dont flame me, but you have checked the obvious things right? Ball detent, oiled after/before rental, condition of barrel lips, etc. The beauty of the 98c, is that you can remove the feedneck, and barrel, dunk the front half into a 5 gallon bucket of cleaner and fire away to clean it out. Use compressed air to blow out the excess, and fire your oil thru the gun. No need to take them apart. The field I worked at HAD rental mags, but they were just as problematic as any other rental. They now have Piranha's and they work well, easy to clean/repair, and is an easy transition to purchasing their own marker. You have a few problems with any rental though. When using a rental and Co2, most people walk around with the gun pointed down, dumping liquid Co2 into the valve, so hot shots equal chop shots. How about switching to HPA? then you could lock the velocity adjuster in place, so they dont jack up the velocity to cheat or match their buddys cheating marker. Make it mandatory that they buy YOUR paint, that you know will work well in the rental. If you stick with Co2, install anti-siphon tubes, thats alot of labor but not expense. Or if I were in your shoes, I would buy A5's, easier to maintain, and a hopper that will help the gun work well. Or add some Cyclones to your current 98c's. You could rent out the A5'5 and Cyclone feed guns and a higher rate, that way you can tell them, that there is less chance of chopping/breaking paint. For the cost of a mag, I think you could buy 2-3 cyclone feeds for your current guns. I wouldnt go with electro hoppers, as batteries will kill you, and will likely get thrashed/stolen quickly. And they will prolly still forget to turn them on.

OR just make the trigger springs very hard, that way the ROF is even less..............

Shane-O

[Shane-O-Mac]

I just got off the phone with AGD and with alittle luck I'll be able to just get mags. I still maintain I could still get Phantoms they'd work well, but I'm afraid my renters would hate it.

Truth be told, they would prolly chop more, everyone has a tendancy to pump too quick and chop a ball. Heck I still do it from time to time with a phantom/nelson base gun.........lol.

[Jackel411]

FYI The field I work for got rid of our rental mag fleet for a strange reason...

People would call and ask " What is your rental gun " we would say auto mag and they would go "whats that?" We explained and then the normal answer was " Arnt M98's better? "


From a rental stand point.. people know the M98's they trust them. when players see this strange and heavy gun they get turned off and wont come back...


But...... As for rental spyders breaking paint.... get the Anti chop bolts that kingman sells

[Dend78]

set em up with blow guns

[Lomarandil]

Buy single trigger frames for your spyders?
Lo

[bryceeden]

Buy single trigger frames for your spyders?
Lo

I thought about that, but no place really sells them anymore. If I get mags they'll be single trigger.

[Chronobreak]

shane, weird...those mags seem to be working fine now

we liked em so much we bought the ones gateway had

jackel, i gotta agree with you when we mention automags people either think are they automatic or dont know what they are kinda walk away confused.

we had m98's and they simply didnt holdup well though for some reason they are what renteres seem to expect. To be honest the most durable rental that seems to be the please all setup is a set of pro carbines weve had for what seems like forever.

but tippmann is phasing them out so thats out of the question i suppose.

[Shane-O-Mac]

shane, weird...those mags seem to be working fine now

we liked em so much we bought the ones gateway had

jackel, i gotta agree with you when we mention automags people either think are they automatic or dont know what they are kinda walk away confused.

we had m98's and they simply didnt holdup well though for some reason they are what renteres seem to expect. To be honest the most durable rental that seems to be the please all setup is a set of pro carbines weve had for what seems like forever.

but tippmann is phasing them out so thats out of the question i suppose.

Of course one of the problems was they were being run on Co2. But we had the normal problems. People turning the barrel and wondering why it didnt shoot balls out...etc. And they were harder to clean because not all of them had qd's on the hoses. AND try and clean 70+ rental mags all at once.....................

but you are correct, people are familiar with the 98c, and equate that to better guns. IMHO, for the cost of new rental mags and other options, the mags are not as desirable as others. But from a Mag guys standpoint, I like them, as long as you get power feed ones....lol.

[Coralis]

Mokal still makes a stacked tube semi .... I know the local field here used titans for years that really became trouble free when they switch all their rentals to compressed air

[SR_matt]

the field i worked at had a few hundred tippmans between the field and the main store where you could rent and take with. the tippmans were great rentals. i do not remember ever really fixing them. (we did accumulate a few broken ones in the almost 2 years i worked there but by that point they were so old and busted they were just parts fodder

the way we worked with them was: flip down hopper hose out, hose off, spray out hopper, dry fire to clear the water. repeat.

we didnt not keep adjusting the fps on them, most didnt shoot more than 250 (they also really couldnt just from being so old). the problem is probably the paints they are using. i assume they get what ever paint they want from wally world and go play.

even though ya one reason for field paint only is so the field makes money, bad paint in the rentals is a big issue too, ive had to clean enough rentals out that i can attest to that.

paint is the only thing i can think is bad

-matt

[bryceeden]

the problem is probably the paints they are using. i assume they get what ever paint they want from wally world and go play.

even though ya one reason for field paint only is so the field makes money, bad paint in the rentals is a big issue too, ive had to clean enough rentals out that i can attest to that.

paint is the only thing i can think is bad

-matt

I run FPO, paint is not the problem. It could be the detents that I'll have to check.