I am working on soundproofing my Tac One and was wondering if anyone tried doing this before. Im basically trying to eliminate any noise leakage from the gun itself. I've got a q-bow setup because I love how low profile it is. I think its kinda funny that the longbow reciever has that gap between the reciever and feedneck, I mean yes even when it is sealed the sound still travel through the reciever and out the longbow mag/qloader tube. But im just minimizing it as much as possible. Just wondering if anybody else has tried this. Maybe some tips, comments, ect.
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the theory behind this is pretty well known,
however there are "issues" with the BATFE's rather stringent interpretation of the laws.
basically, you want to slow down the sound by making it transition thru several densities of materials
in my acoustics classes, we had a 110 decibel alarm bell that became silent
once it was encased in 7 layers, of foam lined wooden boxes
a fully silenced marker could be rather huge
the main sound signature propagation source will be the barrel,
although the feed system could easily be a coupled vector.
If you made the mag a fully closed manual bolt,
the recycle of the bolt would not leak sound into this system,
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to break it down : You're not going to get it quiet enough without having a huge rig. My buddy made a very good silencer but it was basically the size of a watermelon and heavy to boot. He loved doing the sniper thing so he had it up on a bipod/etc......regardless, you would require a very large container to try to muffle the noise.Comment
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Just wrap the entire marker in a huge king size comforter and go play.....
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Originally posted by doc_Zoxthe theory behind this is pretty well known,
however there are "issues" with the BATFE's rather stringent interpretation of the laws.
basically, you want to slow down the sound by making it transition thru several densities of materials
in my acoustics classes, we had a 110 decibel alarm bell that became silent
once it was encased in 7 layers, of foam lined wooden boxes
a fully silenced marker could be rather huge
the main sound signature propagation source will be the barrel,
although the feed system could easily be a coupled vector.
If you made the mag a fully closed manual bolt,
the recycle of the bolt would not leak sound into this system,
but it could still sympathetically resonate.
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Originally posted by mostpeople
What part of that didnt you understand? And I thought you were smart....
Seriously though. If you are truly serious about silencing your marker I suggest you contact the ATF about getting a permit. Its several hundred dollars and is not guaranteed. Contact Pneumagger, he just recently got one. He can give you the first-hand info
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For the most part trying to silence a mark is not worth the headache. The pontential for legal headaches can be big, and getting some jail time would suck. One of my former co-workers got caught making slip-on mufflers for 22 rifles. He spent five years in jail for it. If you really want to be the sneaky, silent kind of guy, just shoot less. A single shot is definately harder to place than when someone opens up with a huge string of paint.
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Im not asking how to build a silencer or anything to put on the barrel, the BATF doesnt need to be contacted. Airguns arent firearms, and me quieting up my gun (feedneck, trigger, ect) is not in any way building a silencer.
The problem with silencers on airguns is that, in most cases they are easily modified to be placed on a firearm.
If you put a silencer on the barrel of most semi auto guns, it wont help all that much because theres alot more places for the noise to escape.
Building an actual silencer for the barrel is definently a project way down the road. This isnt my concern especially because I live in NJ and it would be very difficult to build an airgun muffler/silencer that couldnt be modified to fit on a firearm.Comment
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If you really want a "silenced" marker, then you can go in two different directions.
1. You can engineer your mag and it will look like a rocket gantry when you are finished. Also, be aware that anything that you add to your marker, you will have to carry onto the field of play. And, yes, you do have to worry about the ATF. They have said that ANY device that silences, or reduces the sound signature of any projectile gun falls under their jurisdiction. So, if you take a coffee can full of insulation and attach it to your barrel, then you are in violation of the law.
2. You can buy a Dye Matrix. Cost anywhere from $180 to $350 depending on the marker "ups". You can tune a DM3 to near silent operation, but at the cost of efficiency. If you are trying to do the sniper thing, then efficiency is not a factor. The stock DM3's are one of the most underrated markers ever made.
I regularly get a snipe at players that have no idea where the shot came from.
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Heck, I'm picking upa DM3 for $100 here...
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Originally posted by kruger
Again I dont need to worry about the BATF. A paintball marker is not a firearm, therefore any silencing methods of the gun is not considered a silencer at all. However, the major issue with the BATF is silencers on the barrel (because its very easy to fit a paintball barrel over a gun and then it will be a silencer). Once again, I am not working on silencing the barrel. Just the marker itself, soundproofing the feed system is not by definition a silencer, nor can it be modified into a silencer in any way. Therefore, for the project that I am working on I do NOT need to worry about the BATF. I dont care for buying a new gun whatsoever, even if its 20 times quieter then a tac one. Im working with what I have here.
Thank you for trying to help though.
I am NOT building a silencer.Comment
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If you want to make your hopper quieter, you can always glue on some insulating 3/4" thick neoprene foam. It would make it's profile fatter, but you might get some more bounces off the hopper.Originally posted by Mach1Muscle351
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I use a Q-Loader with a Longbow reciever, gotta love the low pro guns.Originally posted by pillageIf you want to make your hopper quieter, you can always glue on some insulating 3/4" thick neoprene foam. It would make it's profile fatter, but you might get some more bounces off the hopper.Comment
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Old school way, was to slip a thick O-ring over the powerfeed to cover the gap.
You'll not eliminate the marker's normal "clack clack" of operation, and without suppressing the muzzle noise, it's a moot point anyway.
Just to clarify, BATFE does indeed consider a paintball marker a firearm when you mount a suppressor on it that can, within any reason, be used on a actual firearm....and they don't bother with semantics.
If it looks like a suppressor, and acts like a suppressor....it's a suppressor, and you'll go to jail.
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Originally posted by Armypaintball gun, which is not a firearm as defined in the GCA or NFA. The device cannot be removed from the paintball gun without destroying the barrel and rendering the paintball gun unusable. Under these circumstances, the integral device is not a firearm muffler or firearm silencer."Originally posted by Army
Just read this http://forum.specialopspaintball.com...showtopic=1211 because I dont want to talk about silencers and this is where I got the quotes from anyways, very well done by SwatOrNot. Especially since im not making one lol.Last edited by Mach1Muscle351; 11-18-2007, 02:04 AM.Comment
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