***December MOTM Vote - Old Skool***

[mpsd]

I saw this discution several times about frames and bodies being considered old school or not. I think there should be a set of rules determining what's old school and what's not.

For instance, these are the items I wouldn't consider as old school:

- ULE bodies and any aftermarket body (RPG, Deadlywinds, IT Bodies, SFLs, X-Mags and Phoenix bodies)
- Y-Grips and aftermarket grip frames like Logic, RPG, Cerberus and so on. Only ones I would consider as real old-schools would be single-triggered frames and the Z-Grip.
- X-Valves

What would maybe bounder that list, in my humble opinion, would be Stainless Steel RT valves (like the ReTro Valve or the e-Mag one).

About pumps, I really think some of them should be forced into the Open Class or, even better, I think they should run in a separate class of it's own, since they ALWAYS win as Classics.

Anyway, this is just my $ 0.02.

Maybe, if there are more people who thinks like me, we should make a poll on this.

[snoopay700]

I saw this discution several times about frames and bodies being considered old school or not. I think there should be a set of rules determining what's old school and what's not.

For instance, these are the items I wouldn't consider as old school:

- ULE bodies and any aftermarket body (RPG, Deadlywinds, IT Bodies, SFLs, X-Mags and Phoenix bodies)
- Y-Grips and aftermarket grip frames like Logic, RPG, Cerberus and so on. Only ones I would consider as real old-schools would be single-triggered frames and the Z-Grip.
- X-Valves

What would maybe bounder that list, in my humble opinion, would be Stainless Steel RT valves (like the ReTro Valve or the e-Mag one).

About pumps, I really think some of them should be forced into the Open Class or, even better, I think they should run in a separate class of it's own, since they ALWAYS win as Classics.

Anyway, this is just my $ 0.02.

Maybe, if there are more people who thinks like me, we should make a poll on this.

I was actually thinking the same thing, but pumps should be allowed in the category they belong in, if they aren't a classic with a pump kit they go to open class, if they are an actual classic with a pump kit they go in the old school.

[mpsd]

Could be that too. Another thing I forgot to mention are some trigger mods.

I don't think Pneumags and Electropneumags should be allowed on the Classic division.
Boo-Yah frames and stock Hyper Frames could be considered. Same thing for e-Mags with steel bodies. Any other frame should be Open class (I'm thinking of home made frames, Spydermag frames, Ego and Shocker modded frames, Hyper Frames with boards different then the stock one and so on).

I don't know. This would make the Classic division more accurate and held into it's objective.

[ThePixelGuru]

Yeah, there are only two markers here that I feel really belong in the classic division, and those are mine and bagheera's. That being said, everything about Jakeman and Rehkal's markers are pretty much classic division, minus the y-frame and pneus respectively. Spduca's ULE pump isn't exactly old school, but it doesn't really fit with the open division, either. Besides, back in the day no one in their right mind would take a speedy new semi and hobble it with a pump kit, they would have just bought a pump to begin with.

Basically, yeah, most of the markers in the classic division don't really fit here, but they fit even less in the open division. With such diverse marker entries, it's pretty much impossible to create two coherent categories that are right for every marker every time. In my opinion, these markers aren't here because they fit in the classic division, but because they don't fit in the open division. That's why the classic division was created in the first place. Oh well, just my take on it.

[snoopay700]

Yeah, there are only two markers here that I feel really belong in the classic division, and those are mine and bagheera's. That being said, everything about Jakeman and Rehkal's markers are pretty much classic division, minus the y-frame and pneus respectively. Spduca's ULE pump isn't exactly old school, but it doesn't really fit with the open division, either. Besides, back in the day no one in their right mind would take a speedy new semi and hobble it with a pump kit, they would have just bought a pump to begin with.

Basically, yeah, most of the markers in the classic division don't really fit here, but they fit even less in the open division. With such diverse marker entries, it's pretty much impossible to create two coherent categories that are right for every marker every time. In my opinion, these markers aren't here because they fit in the classic division, but because they don't fit in the open division. That's why the classic division was created in the first place. Oh well, just my take on it.

As i recall that lpr isn't actually hooked up, he was just planning on making it a pneu, but i could be wrong, i just thought i remembered him mentioning something about that.

[Resurection]

Yeah, there are only two markers here that I feel really belong in the classic division, and those are mine and bagheera's. That being said, everything about Jakeman and Rehkal's markers are pretty much classic division, minus the y-frame and pneus respectively. Spduca's ULE pump isn't exactly old school, but it doesn't really fit with the open division, either. Besides, back in the day no one in their right mind would take a speedy new semi and hobble it with a pump kit, they would have just bought a pump to begin with.

Basically, yeah, most of the markers in the classic division don't really fit here, but they fit even less in the open division. With such diverse marker entries, it's pretty much impossible to create two coherent categories that are right for every marker every time. In my opinion, these markers aren't here because they fit in the classic division, but because they don't fit in the open division. That's why the classic division was created in the first place. Oh well, just my take on it.

Would you not consider my Classic RT fit for the 'Classic' category?

[Smoothice]

Could be that too. Another thing I forgot to mention are some trigger mods.

I don't think Pneumags and Electropneumags should be allowed on the Classic division.
Boo-Yah frames and stock Hyper Frames could be considered. Same thing for e-Mags with steel bodies. Any other frame should be Open class (I'm thinking of home made frames, Spydermag frames, Ego and Shocker modded frames, Hyper Frames with boards different then the stock one and so on).

I don't know. This would make the Classic division more accurate and held into it's objective.

This discussion has already been done.

and the answer is:

He who gives the prize gets to choose the finalists.

[snoopay700]

This discussion has already been done.

and the answer is:

He who gives the prize gets to choose the finalists.

I must say, that makes a heck of a lot more sense, he's got the right to make whatever rules he damn well pleases.

[dixieoutfitter94]

I'm a sucker for pumpmags.

[cerrik]

As i recall that lpr isn't actually hooked up, he was just planning on making it a pneu, but i could be wrong, i just thought i remembered him mentioning something about that.

Correct. Rehkal is ether going to eventually pneu the frame or attach that LPR to a homemade nerf launcher. We play alot of scenario and the both of us have been looking to create an alternative to over the shoulder laws for demo play.

[warbeak2099]

As far as classic goes, Jakeman's is the best.

[ThePixelGuru]

Would you not consider my Classic RT fit for the 'Classic' category?

Dunno, you'd have to remind me what your Classic RT looks like. Why do you ask?
EDIT: No, I'd say your Classic RT would fit well with the category, though it is pretty much stock. Still, why?

This discussion has already been done.

and the answer is:

He who gives the prize gets to choose the finalists.

That's true. I'm just saying there are reasons that some markers don't feel like they "fit" in the classic division, but ultimately I support the decision to put them there.


EDIT: My former post wasn't an attack on any entry or individual, just a musing on why these markers are in the classic division and not the open division. In fact, I believe they belong here more than in the open division.

[Bagheera]

Yeah, there are only two markers here that I feel really belong in the classic division, and those are mine and bagheera's. That being said, everything about Jakeman and Rehkal's markers are pretty much classic division, minus the y-frame and pneus respectively. Spduca's ULE pump isn't exactly old school, but it doesn't really fit with the open division, either. Besides, back in the day no one in their right mind would take a speedy new semi and hobble it with a pump kit, they would have just bought a pump to begin with.

Basically, yeah, most of the markers in the classic division don't really fit here, but they fit even less in the open division. With such diverse marker entries, it's pretty much impossible to create two coherent categories that are right for every marker every time. In my opinion, these markers aren't here because they fit in the classic division, but because they don't fit in the open division. That's why the classic division was created in the first place. Oh well, just my take on it.

I'll go one further, and put mine in the BONE STOCK division. The marker hasn't changed since it left the shop in 1992.

Although, this will be the last time it's ever seen like this, as I'm turning it into the Park-52 Mag very soon. However, this is one marker I won't be parting out, because if I ever feel like changing it back to what it originally was, I want to have all the original parts to do so.

[TwilightG]

The whole discussion of what qualifies as "old school" has been done before... we almost lost this monthly competition as a result too (lots of flaming ... it was just a bad scene)

I think it's still very subjective but in general, if we disqualified ULE bodies, Y-Frames, etc from being Old School, we ultimately end up with a bunch of stock Automags with an occasional splash kit.

I still keep my own personal opinions on what qualifies and just vote accordingly. If some sup'ed up pneu-ule-xvalved somethingorother (something clearly modern style) pops up in the old school list... meh, I just don't vote for it. It's all for fun anyway

[mpsd]

You know what? In the end, you are right. It's up to whomever is voting to decide what's really old school and fun and what's not.