Fastest Fingers Contest

[rawbutter]

Could I submit another entry? I found another trigger adjustment screw that made my pull much easier. If not that alright.

Go for it. (I might be doing the same thing in a week or two after I get in some practice. I doubt I'll be able to catch mongoose, though.)

[drg]

well i just wanna say that he is using a pnuemag...and there is no bounce with them.
all you can do is semi.
vids good with me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBs9SPy3cMM

[drg]

I don't see it being that big of a deal.

The big difference between this contest and the last one is that we're not playing for money... and I think that's significant. The grand prize for the last contest was almost $100, whereas here we're just competing for bragging rights.

So, I'm really not expecting dishonesty from people. I mean... c'mon. Is there anyone out there who's so pathetic that they're going to spend all the time and energy to make a fake video just for some self-esteem points through an Internet paintball forum?


Alright... let's get this contest back on topic. Let's see some more shooting!!!

As I said, there could be no malice involved at all, someone could just be honestly mistaken. I happen to actually believe Pneumagger's video is legitimate, it's not showing anything too outrageous, HOWEVER, the whole point of asking for a video is to have visual proof ... If you start making exceptions, you lose legitimacy and might as well just have people submit sound clips or take their word on a BPS number.

This is the *exact* same issue we had last time, the winning video was filmed at 15 fps and did not show one shot, one pull. At nearly 16 bps it was a little harder call to make to say the benefit of the doubt should be given, especially when every other entry conformed to the rules.

Think about this -- the last one was two years ago and we are STILL talking about it, these things tend to become part of the lore, as it were. It's important to cross your "t"s and dot your "i"s.

[jenarelJAM]

I don't see why pneumagger can't just make another video using a real camera? Surely he at least knows someone who has a camera that can take at 30 fps?

It's not like we're shooting paint, so it's not expensive to do video after video after video (unlike last time). I think that seeing as there are also a lot more contestants this time around, if it doesn't conform to the rules, it's going to be a sore point.

[rawbutter]

Well, my analysis of pneumagger's video confirms drg's 11bps count. There were some much higher bursts, but there were also lots of gaps over the best five second clip that brought down the average.

Now... Is the video itself good enough to be considered "proof" that pneumagger was shooting that fast? Probably not. When I was commenting before, I was at work where I actually couldn't view the video. It is rather grainy. Of course I believe that pneumagger is honest, but if I accept his entry, then I have to accept anyone else's entry that happens to be a little less than par.

So, all of you need to go out and buy new $500 camcorders in order to participate in this contest. Oh, and by the way, the prize for winning this contest is still nothing.

Now, I shall laugh at myself and everyone else who actually thought for one second that I was serious about that comment.

Here's what I'm really going to do. Since this contest is for bragging rights and nothing else, I'm going to add pneumagger's name and his 11bps to the list on the first page. I really don't care how crappy his video was. Why? Because I trust him. Pneumagger's built a rock-solid reputation here over the years, so I'm not going to doubt his video. And even if I did doubt his video and ask him to make another, it wouldn't do any good, because pneumagger is smart enough to realize the true intent and purpose of this "contest," and he wouldn't make another video just because I told him to. Personally, I'm kinda flattered that he took the time to show off any video at all, even one that's over a year old.

Therefore, I'm going to politely ask everyone else to stop mucking up my thread. Let's get back on topic. I haven't seen nearly enough videos yet. Isn't there someone out there who can show us how to do 8 bps on a classic? That's something I want to see.

[rawbutter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBs9SPy3cMM

I seem to remember pneumagger saying that this was runaway, not trigger bounce. He'll have to comment on that, though. It's his vid, after all.

[drg]

I seem to remember pneumagger saying that this was runaway, not trigger bounce. He'll have to comment on that, though. It's his vid, after all.

Regardless of what it is, it's not straight semi, so whoever said pneumags are strictly semi is wrong. BTW aren't runaway and bounce synonymous?

Edited, thanks Pneumagger.

[Pneumagger]

Look, that vid I posted is 1.5yrs old. If I or anyone else had discovered a way to make a controllable full auto pneumatic frame that only fired 13-17 bps doncha think news would have spread by now? I would've patented and sold the idea by now and we'd all be using them.

A pneumatic frame either:
a) doesn't work
b) skips shots or short strokes
c) runs nicely in semi
d) goes full auto runaway 30-40 bps as fast as the valve allows.

If it's going to be a big deal you don't have to accept the vid. I just saw the thread in one of the random days I browse here and dug up the old vid.

[Pneumagger]

Fairly sure it's basically sweetspotting the LPR to make the gun rapid fire. Regardless of what it is, it's not straight semi, so whoever said pneumags are strictly semi is wrong. BTW aren't runaway and bounce synonymous?

I'm fairly sure it's just an xvalve with the brass reg seat removed. I'm also fairly sure any mag (mech or pneu) will do that without the seat.

[drg]

Look, that vid I posted is 1.5yrs old.

The age of the video proves nothing, my video is over 2 years old. As I said eariler, I even believe yours is perfectly legitimate. However it doesn't conform to any particular standard.

That's nothing personal. I'm just asking for consistency. Surely you can see the value in that.

I'm fairly sure it's just an xvalve with the brass reg seat removed. I'm also fairly sure any mag (mech or pneu) will do that without the seat.

Thanks for that clarification.

[drg]

Here's blazestorm's video from a while back ... just for kicks

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eZAHFNJhY6Y

[BAZOOKA_Boy]

damn I need to adjust my trigger so I can catch a Mongoose... :P that and make a vid with less echo...and to everyone fighting over standards, just make new vids with strings longer than 5 seconds, and everyone QUIT FIGHTING, its just a bragging rights contest, not end all be all who is fastest!

[rawbutter]

and to everyone fighting over standards, just make new vids with strings longer than 5 seconds, and everyone QUIT FIGHTING, its just a bragging rights contest, not end all be all who is fastest!

Amen.

[Mongoose]

Look, that vid I posted is 1.5yrs old. If I or anyone else had discovered a way to make a controllable full auto pneumatic frame that only fired 13-17 bps doncha think news would have spread by now? I would've patented and sold the idea by now and we'd all be using them.

A pneumatic frame either:
a) doesn't work
b) skips shots or short strokes
c) runs nicely in semi
d) goes full auto runaway 30-40 bps as fast as the valve allows.

If it's going to be a big deal you don't have to accept the vid. I just saw the thread in one of the random days I browse here and dug up the old vid.

well said.
thanks for sharing your work....i am a fan

[rawbutter]

Here's blazestorm's video from a while back ... just for kicks
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eZAHFNJhY6Y

Wow. That's insane.