Tom....Need a Favor...You Military paintballs

[giant1515]

sajohnston

I know that was opening a can of worms... very big ones. Fact is that I want to be able to own stuff like this but don't really know that much about the restrictions/requirements at the moment.

I'm about to graduate college here in a couple months so I've gotta start looking into it soon. I love shooting, heck that's what got me to try paintball honestly, a chance to shoot at someone else with something decidedly nonlethal. I'm not big on handguns, they're fun to shoot but like you said, shotguns are better for short range and you really don't have to aim, just point and pull... I'm particularly fond of my Dad's Remington. I think it's a 570 *really 870, thx cphillip for pointing out my typo * if my memory serves me correctly. I'm gonna have to try some of these listed on this thread out when i get enough $$ to start buying.

Its very cool that there are people on here that like real guns as much as paintball guns. This thread has made for some interesting reading. thanks to you guys who know what the heck you're talking about.

[cphilip]

Probabaly an 870 Remington Wingmaster? Not 570?

[giant1515]

yeah 870

i hit the wrong key on the keypad the phone keeps ringing here (i'm at work) and i get distracted. thx.

[cphilip]

I figured that. Love that old 870. still a king in pumps even today. I got one from the early 70's too.

[Trunnion]

sajohnston, you might wanna check on that carbine. the Singer did not make WWII carbines and only Inland Manufacturing made M1A1 paratrooper carbines. you may have a factory rebuild. if you'd like to know what things to look for to determine if it's original, email me and i'll give you a short list of things to look for. the carbine was not a combat rifle, and it was not intended to be. it was supposed to replace the pistol and the SMG, but never did. it was to equip rear echelon soldiers with something with greater range and power than a pistol, but was smaller and far more handy than a full rifle. and it did this job very well. i'm sure thousands of deceased Germans and Japanese can attest to that. zads, i thought(and please correct me if i'm wrong) that the OICW was supposed to supplement the M-16s in service, not replace them entirely. as you stated, they're very pricey, and i don't think even the military would want to spend that much money when they could have M16s and M14s for a tenth the price. Top Secret, I HATE YOU! i've been looking for an M1 carbine for almost a year now, and i can't find one worth buying. most of them are junk(though we found one that was all matching, but it was like 1700 bucks).

[HoppysMag]

I though Springfeild Armory made the M1's? cause i live right next to springfeild and have been to the armory muesum, because the actual factory is closed now..... Thanx a lot Nixon!!..... is there a diffrent springfeild armory... i heard of one in IL.

[Trunnion]

Springfield armory made M1 Garand rifles, but not the M1 Carbine. Carbines were made by Winchester, Inland, Underwood-Elliot-Fisher, Rock-Ola, Quality HMC, National Postal Mete, Irwin-Pederson(only made 1000 before they lost their contract), Standard Products, IBM, and Saginaw(another GM division). the M1 Garand rifles were made by Winchester and Springfield Armory

[HoppysMag]

O cool, thanx

[zads27]

Originally posted by Trunnion
... zads, i thought(and please correct me if i'm wrong) that the OICW was supposed to supplement the M-16s in service, not replace them entirely. as you stated, they're very pricey, and i don't think even the military would want to spend that much money when they could have M16s and M14s for a tenth the price.

You're correct, the OICW is indeed going to be a battlefield supplement to the M16.. the lower 'rifle' portion of the OICW is actually a G36K (most popular HK assault rifle), but it has a M16 magazine adapter on it! ...so after you use up all those 20mm pocket artillery shells, and all your 5.56mm mags, it makes sense to be able to use your buddy's M16 mags.. rather than stripping his M16 mags, and putting those rounds into your G36 mags

One mistake, they are $10,000 - $12,000.. not 20 (oops)

Military plans an order of 45,000 OICWs.. not enough for all the military units out there, only for special units.

If you ask me, the OICW is kinda unwieldy for most people.. I do see the purpose of it, though.. I wouldn't mind having one in my squad having one of those titans..

[zads27]

Personally, I like the first firing prototype model ('96) of the OICW more. Looks much less of an armfull. But alas, looks aren't everything.

[Trunnion]

a few different weapons use M16 mags as standard. the enfield SA80 and SA80 carbine accept M16 mags and so does the FAMAS, the FN FNC, Singapore's SAR 80, the Cetme Assault Rifle Model L, and even the FN Minimi/M249

[Army]

From an insiders viewpoint, the OICW program has been put on the back burners, which is likely the deathnell for it and good riddance too!

The good folks who never ask the soldier what he wants in a weapon, had a slight mishap with the silly "electro" 20mm projo....it blew up in the gun!

That monstrosity would be rejected by any GI worth his socks. You can't carry it comfortably, it doesn't come to your shoulder well, it weighs too dang much, you can't go prone with it, the grenades ARE NOT any more effective than the current 40mm, and it's just not sexy. GI's love sexy guns. It's not "soldier proof", it's a royal pain to clean, and the sights really bite.

Other than that, it's a swell concept!

sajohnston, I'll bet you have a Saginaw. If you really have a Singer M1 Carbine, name your price! If you have a Singer 1911A1, I'll take that too!

[sajohnston]

Memory could be bad

My Carbine has been in storage almost two years (along with my mag) while I have been in the land of the morning calm. I could swear it was a singer- I know it does have a rebuild (blue sky) barrel and perhaps someone removed a fixed sock and replaced it with a paratrooper model. I bought the gun from one of my college buds, he had been storing it folded in a M60 barrel bag.

I cringe every time I see the OICW. I am a "rotorhead" as pointed out but I am also responsible for my squadron's arms room. Our squadron is around 320+ people so we have the usual assortment of M16A2s (no M4s yet), M203s, M249s, M9s, M2s, MK19s, NVSs and NVGs. For us "Armorer" is an additional duty, in other words a few soldiers maintain/issue weapons in addition to their MOS duties. It is a task to maintain our weapons with proficiency when is is someones extra job, let alone the annual turnover that is Korea. The OICW wil requiare a lengthy school and specialization for all of the componets it operates with- tactical laser, 20mm electronically fused grenade launcher, television and FLIR sensors. It is abslutely OBESE in weight. Not to sound high adn mighty but the whole Land warrior system is a little to much for the average soldier in my opinion.

[Trunnion]

i believe the blue sky barrel indicates a rebuild for the korean war. i don't know what companies, if any, made carbines after WWII. so it's entirely possible that your carbine is a post-war rebuild with a new stock. if it has a bayonet lug, it's almost certainly korean war

[dorksquad]

yo army while on the supject on 1911's have a 1911 in my posession that has no other markings than us gov or army the only markings are 1911 not 1911a1 or anything of that nature, i dont have it on me now but i remember an article in popluar mechanics about the early a1'a and espically the singer made ones, i think that mine is made before this, in is in good condition just fired a few clips through it and i was under the impression that it wasnt fired befroe me, it even came in a ratty old box that has us mail post markings on it. the gun was still wrappped, any how any info youcould provide would be helpful