Whats with kids and there Fiberwrapped tanks these days?

[ThePixelGuru]

As far as SCBA tanks are concerned, they don't need to be protected as much because they're metal and not fiber-wrapped. I could take my pocket knife to my SCBA tank all day and not get anywhere, but I sure as hell won't be trying that with my fiber-wrapped tank. And yes, paintball poses a greater impact risk to these tanks than diving or firefighting because paintball is the activity that involves repeatedly throwing yourself and your gear at the ground. If something big enough to damage the tank were to fall on the firefighter, it wouldn't matter; the guy would be mush well before the tank ruptured.

Paintball tanks do fare better in hydro, but that's because paintballers protect their tanks. Protecting paintball tanks started because our tanks are at higher risk of damaging impact.

[SR_matt]

As far as SCBA tanks are concerned, they don't need to be protected as much because they're metal and not fiber-wrapped. I could take my pocket knife to my SCBA tank all day and not get anywhere, but I sure as hell won't be trying that with my fiber-wrapped tank. And yes, paintball poses a greater impact risk to these tanks than diving or firefighting because paintball is the activity that involves repeatedly throwing yourself and your gear at the ground. If something big enough to damage the tank were to fall on the firefighter, it wouldn't matter; the guy would be mush well before the tank ruptured.

Paintball tanks do fare better in hydro, but that's because paintballers protect their tanks. Protecting paintball tanks started because our tanks are at higher risk of damaging impact.

not all scba or scuba tanks are steel or al there are plenty of fiber wrap tanks.

a knife to a fiber wrap tank wont do much more damage than to an al tank. fiber glass and CF are both as strong as steel

-matt

[drg]

not all scba or scuba tanks are steel or al there are plenty of fiber wrap tanks.

a knife to a fiber wrap tank wont do much more damage than to an al tank. fiber glass and CF are both as strong as steel

-matt

The resin coating is not particularly strong or hard. A knife to a fiber wrapped tank will easily damage the resin; you could probably render a tank unable to pass visual inspection relatively easily with a decent pocketknife.

[ThePixelGuru]

not all scba or scuba tanks are steel or al there are plenty of fiber wrap tanks.

a knife to a fiber wrap tank wont do much more damage than to an al tank. fiber glass and CF are both as strong as steel

-matt

The resin coating is not particularly strong or hard. A knife to a fiber wrapped tank will easily damage the resin; you could probably render a tank unable to pass visual inspection relatively easily with a decent pocketknife.

Hmm, I have not seen a fiberwrap SCBA tank. All the ones I see on the backs of divers and firefighters are metal tanks, probably for safety/durability reasons.

As far as a knife to a fiberwrap tank - I don't know what kind of butter spreaders you folks are passing off as pocket knives these days, but I'm certain I could blow myself away with nothing more than my pocket knife and 45/5000. Carbon fiber is extremely strong, but cuts like pretty much any other thread. If you can't make it through plastic and thread with your pocket knife, either sharpen it or throw it away.

[SR_matt]

ive seen a lot of fiber tanks for firefighters, they are not as common for scuba but they are normally the 4500 psi tanks, ~edit~ a quick google image search http://images.google.com/images?clie...=1&sa=N&tab=wi on the first page all the images that show personal tanks are all fiber wrapped except one~

im still thinkl that it would be very hard to damage a tank to any extent with just a pocket knife unless you spend a week or to on it. and even if you would be able to damage to get it to fail i bet it would not be a catastrophic failure.

-matt

[michbich]

I'm too broke for a cover, so i use a thick sock lol. Doesn't protect against sharp rocks, but does protect against scratches. I'm not the diving type, so i don't see the need to get a cover for it.

[SR_matt]

I'm too broke for a cover, so i use a thick sock lol. Doesn't protect against sharp rocks, but does protect against scratches. I'm not the diving type, so i don't see the need to get a cover for it.

i also dont dive but i do still like the dye covers for the grip. i treat my markers like i treat my camera... "save the camera save the camera, flesh heals gear doesnt"

-matt

[drg]

i also dont dive but i do still like the dye covers for the grip. i treat my markers like i treat my camera... "save the camera save the camera, flesh heals gear doesnt"

-matt

Depends on the flesh ...

[dropzone]

Get informed before making statements in this thread.

I had 5 tanks Hydro`ed at the beginning of this season and was done by a certified DOT licensed facility. All tanks passed no problem except for one that was passed on to the head honcho who took me in his office and gave me the sitdown. He scrutinized a chip in the carbon fiber wrap and did it with a microscope. He showed the flaw to me and explained to me why it PASSED inspection. It did so because their was no fibers exposed under the resin epoxy.

You are putting 3,000 -4,500 hundred psi into various containers that are succeptable to internal corrosion. outside damage and negligence ( Unhydroed)

SCBA tanks are safer? I doubt it and so will any DOT certified inspector!!! SCBA tanks are actually better regulated than C/A tanks designed for paintball. Does your your C/A tank have a yearly visual inspection sticker on it on top of its hydro certification stamp?

I have personally seen the damage that compressed air can do when I was vacationing down in Aruba a few years ago. I saw a SCBA tank blow apart half of an entire dive dock along with unmentionable innocent bystanders.

This point is pretty mute and I am not by no means qualified to set the record straight on this subject but i do have common sense.

I will try and get someone to post here on this matter that is qualified to do so. He is the owner of Texas Air Solutions and the last word in filling more C/A tanks, C02 bottles in the safest, fastest and most efficient manner possible at at the largest scenario paintball event in the world......Oklahoma D-day.

[airguy]

Get informed before making statements in this thread.

I had 5 tanks Hydro`ed at the beginning of this season and was done by a certified DOT licensed facility. All tanks passed no problem except for one that was passed on to the head honcho who took me in his office and gave me the sitdown. He scrutinized a chip in the carbon fiber wrap and did it with a microscope. He showed the flaw to me and explained to me why it PASSED inspection. It did so because their was no fibers exposed under the resin epoxy.

You are putting 3,000 -4,500 hundred psi into various containers that are succeptable to internal corrosion. outside damage and negligence ( Unhydroed)

SCBA tanks are safer? I doubt it and so will any DOT certified inspector!!! SCBA tanks are actually better regulated than C/A tanks designed for paintball. Does your your C/A tank have a yearly visual inspection sticker on it on top of its hydro certification stamp?

I have personally seen the damage that compressed air can do when I was vacationing down in Aruba a few years ago. I saw a SCBA tank blow apart half of an entire dive dock along with unmentionable innocent bystanders.

This point is pretty mute and I am not by no means qualified to set the record straight on this subject but i do have common sense.

I will try and get someone to post here on this matter that is qualified to do so. He is the owner of Texas Air Solutions and the last word in filling more C/A tanks, C02 bottles in the safest, fastest and most efficient manner possible at at the largest scenario paintball event in the world......Oklahoma D-day.

After an intro like that, how can I refuse?

A lot of you guys will recognize my name, I'm the owner of Texas Air Solutions and I install air and CO2 systems for fields, and run several mobile air rigs all over the US for tourneys and large scenario events. I've been working with air for more than 15 years, and I know a thing or two about it.

First - a word about wraps. I don't care. Simple as that. The facts are that wraps are fine, as long as they can be removed to check the hydro date. Any reputable field IS SUPPOSED TO check hydro dates before filling or allowing another to fill a tank. NOTICE I didn't say all field do this - but all field ARE SUPPOSED TO. The wraps with clear windows that allow you to see the hdyro date are fine. Stickers, labels, or tape SHOULD NOT be placed on the tank IN ANY LOCATION because they can be used to cover up damage that would be an obvious no-fill condition that the player is trying to hide. Wraps can be useful for reducing everyday wear and tear to the surface layer of the tank, but they are certainly not required nor neccesarily needed if you are careful with the tank.

Second - strength of the tank and passing/failing hydrotest HAS NOTHING TO DO with the condition of the surface of the actual RESIN on the tank. All of the strength from the wrap is provided by the FIBERS, not the resin. The resins only purpose is to protect the fibers and hold them in place. If you scar/scratch/chip the RESIN but the damage does not extend down to and cut the FIBERS, then the damage is superficial and can be repaired by simply adding some clear epoxy over the damaged location to cover the exposure. On the flip side of that same coin, ANY DAMAGE that extends to the fibers, no matter how minor it seems on the surface, will render the tank as a failure during the visual inspection before the hydro. Once those fibers are cut/damaged, the tank is not good for rated pressure and is now a paper weight.

[punkrex]

[drg]

Get informed before making statements in this thread.

I had 5 tanks Hydro`ed at the beginning of this season and was done by a certified DOT licensed facility. All tanks passed no problem except for one that was passed on to the head honcho who took me in his office and gave me the sitdown. He scrutinized a chip in the carbon fiber wrap and did it with a microscope. He showed the flaw to me and explained to me why it PASSED inspection. It did so because their was no fibers exposed under the resin epoxy.

You are putting 3,000 -4,500 hundred psi into various containers that are succeptable to internal corrosion. outside damage and negligence ( Unhydroed)

SCBA tanks are safer? I doubt it and so will any DOT certified inspector!!! SCBA tanks are actually better regulated than C/A tanks designed for paintball. Does your your C/A tank have a yearly visual inspection sticker on it on top of its hydro certification stamp?

I have personally seen the damage that compressed air can do when I was vacationing down in Aruba a few years ago. I saw a SCBA tank blow apart half of an entire dive dock along with unmentionable innocent bystanders.

This point is pretty mute and I am not by no means qualified to set the record straight on this subject but i do have common sense.

I will try and get someone to post here on this matter that is qualified to do so. He is the owner of Texas Air Solutions and the last word in filling more C/A tanks, C02 bottles in the safest, fastest and most efficient manner possible at at the largest scenario paintball event in the world......Oklahoma D-day.

So what 'uninformed' statements have been made in this thread that you felt the need to accuse people of doing such? What 'record' needs to be 'set straight'?