A "note" about overshooting

[Spider-TW]

How do you figure? So, by this rationale, you're saying that I had just as much of a chance to be overshot when I bunkered someone using a Phantom pump gun as I do now with someone using a fully tricked out Timmy? Um, yeah...somehow, I just don't buy that. My point was, the BPS escalation led to more people being overshot no matter where they are on the field. People cranking their rate of fire up on a gun capable of full auto or ramping modes in the 40 bps range are going to shoot more paint than a person firing a stock classic Mag. Sorry, that's a technological fact. Now, the person still has to be pulling the trigger so the device isn't the only thing to blame...it's still the player (and to a lesser extent, the type of game being played). But to say that faster guns hasn't created, or at least heavily contributed to more overshooting through the years is, IMHO, is ludicrous.

All I said was that it didn't create the problem, unless you consider the increase itself the problem. I agree, it is definitely more wide spread due the higher bps.

My other point is the demographics that the '40 bps' marker will attract, at least as much as the technology itself, contributes to the increased overshooting. It has never been so easy to abuse the firing rate, whether your trying to hit someone with a cloud or hide behind it.

[chafnerjr]

Fair game?

As the markers go faster and faster that just means that they are going to have to spend that much more in paint trying to get me. The more often they reload the more often I'll shoot em'

To be fair I've even overshot a few people but apologized after as a stand up player should! But hey this is paintball... sometimes you get a few lumps, it's the close quarters strings of 20 rounds into an 8yr old that upsets me... you can shoot me as many times as you like... I'll find you the next round

P.S. Don't you just love it when someones electro runs out of batteries

[dre1919]

Agreed.

[sffudapparel]

Sometime, people don't know how to respond when they get shot and that can bother me. Instead of throwing their hands up (which I think should be done) they say in their stance and yell out. It's alot easier to see some throw their hands and gun in the air than to hear someone say out from ~75 feet away with possibly 100 other people playing in the woods with me.

But I agree with what's been said so far. You shoot someone after that, either apologize or you're overshooting.

I disagree big time with the one post that talked about a field outlawing anything other than gravity hoppers. The hopper doesn't shoot, the gun does. A 20+ ball hopper won't do anything if you're shooting 6bps. I think the field limit is 12 at my local place and i think that's a good number. 10-12 is what most guns should be capped at in rec games IMO.

[Spider-TW]

I disagree big time with the one post that talked about a field outlawing anything other than gravity hoppers. The hopper doesn't shoot, the gun does. A 20+ ball hopper won't do anything if you're shooting 6bps. I think the field limit is 12 at my local place and i think that's a good number. 10-12 is what most guns should be capped at in rec games IMO.

I would be interested in hearing how the gravity hopper rule works out. It's sort of a 'gravity cap' in the range of 8 bps (+2, -8) and is readily identifiable to the refs. I guess I wouldn't mind much as I noticed recently that I still have a shaker habit. I had turned down my B2 because of an overfeed problem and it was missing a shot on occasion. I kept catching myself shaking it between bursts.

[halB]

My outlaw group has the Rule of Five - if you have to shout "OUT!" more than 5 times because the person at the other end is just too much into wailing on the trigger, you automatically resurrect back into the game right where you're standing at. And it wasn't that we as a group were having trigger-control issues, we just wanted to set out a rule to keep it in check before it became an issue. Well, that and some of us had seen that type of behavior in other venues, and weren't about to put up with it anywhere else.

You see, this right here is exactly why I bother with the internet. After days of slogging through nothing new, this beautiful gem pops out of nowhere. Rabbit, that is a damned good rule. It has everything in it, including a sweet penalty. This is gonna be done the next time I play outlaw.

[Babylon 5]

The idea of they over shot someone so I'll over shoot them back is stupid, it just leads to escalation of the problem. Someone has to be the bigger person and talk to the offending player that it's not cool to do it and if it's a rec game let'em know they need to tone down the aggressive play with the new players.

Also I'm not big on yelling "out" when people are hit cause alot of times "out" sounds alot like "ouch" I prefer "hit" you can't confuse that with much of anything.

[usagi_tetsu]

You see, this right here is exactly why I bother with the internet. After days of slogging through nothing new, this beautiful gem pops out of nowhere. Rabbit, that is a damned good rule. It has everything in it, including a sweet penalty. This is gonna be done the next time I play outlaw.

You're welcome.

(*whisper* I'm as surprised as you that some of the crap I come up with is useful to anybody else... */whisper)

Also I'm not big on yelling "out" when people are hit cause alot of times "out" sounds alot like "ouch" I prefer "hit" you can't confuse that with much of anything.

We use a variety of phrases to let the other players know we're done, "out!" was just the first that came to my minde. But we also play where if it bounces, you're gone, so "ouch!" is just as good as "out!". We don't have refs, we're self-policing, so if it strikes, break or no, we just call it good. 'Sides, a lot of us don't have money for fancy paint (you know, the kind that will break from farther than 5' away), and the really cheap, non-breakers, are pretty much what we rely on. On a whole, it has made our group very polite, as you'll usually hear someone light someone else up, and that someone yell someone and the shooter will suddenly stop firing and verify if that player is out or in. A polite group of people, bent on shooting each other, we are. =D

[Toll]

For me its really hard to get upset when I get over shot because I am pretty used to it. I too have the mindset that if you shoot my gun, it's personal because now I have to clean the goddamn thing.

In the above situation I believe that dad would be in the wrong because it was vindictive and he did so with the intention of overshooting where the other kid may have just been "innocently" overshooting, a mistake, ball didn't break, etc. He MIGHT not have done it on purpose where the dad did so on purpose. The kid's still a whiner but if we knew how to phase that out we'd be set ^.~

eg :There's been a few times where some one has been out and started to wrap way after it stopped being viable that I've lit up but by and large its maybe an extra 1-2 depending on how my paint is feeling that day. I know I take 2-3 extra when being bunkered but the guy on the shooting end has to figure that if they don't break its him that's going to be eating it from 2 feet away

[warbeak2099]

I don't think anyone overshoots people on purpose. I know I've done it to people, but it's an accident. I apologize after the game and everything is fine. If you freak out about it, you have issues.

[Indignant]

i don't shoot once at anyone. if my first ball breaks and they stick around to get hit a few more times, don't get heated.

[drg]

The only times I've gotten mad about overshooting is when I shot the other guy first by a longshot (beyond arguably simo). Most times, the resposibility for getting overshot lies with you. Situationally, an aware player should know most of the time what is coming and whether they are at risk for getting bunkered or pinched and possibly overshot. If you have a problem with that, don't just stand in there, make a suicide move to take a better bunker, and you will probably only catch one or a few if any. At the very least, protect yourself by turning or covering up.

Additionally, you should not be catching big strings during normal head-to-head situations, as you should not be spending so much time out of cover that you can get shot that many times -- if you do, it's YOUR mistake.

So, I notice the people having the most trouble with overshooting and getting into these altercations are not particularly skilled or experienced players.

I do "take down license numbers" though, if I get shot up by someone. And I often rest assured that a habitual overshooter will eventually piss someone off that wants to knock their block off. Almost without fail.

[Enemy]

the only time i get upset is when we get into the 6-7s when it was obvious they could see the ball break! I dont hold my hand up or run off the field so if i get a bonus ball or two then whatever ive gotten used to that.

Rest assured though if i notice you are one of the people that have trouble leaving games after i see the break then i will overshoot you and if you get upset well than thats just your own fault now isnt it.

and yes ive overshot people and if i feel they deserve an appology than i do so.

And the only times ive been really upset was when my friend got bunkered and the kid kept running and walking his trigger up to around 37 times!! As well as my other friend who got it from 3 kids 110 times... someone got punched for that one. And myself in a tourney where i counted atleast 15 hits from one kid on a bunker run.

also as far as the thread starter.. lmao that friggen kid needs to get tough and stfu

[bryceeden]

[rant]"With todays guns overshooting is a given" is a copout and compleat BS. My Firebird isn't ment to go 25mph but thats how fast I go thru residential areas. Take reponsability people! I am so tired of the "Its not my fault its the industrys" line, BS if you overshoot its your fault period you chose to shoot like that and its your fault. In my tourneys we made the rule that if you blatently overshoot you are done for the day and your team plays a man down, guess what everyone is careful now and we dont have an overshooting problem anymore and this is in a tourney circuit!!! In recball there is absloutly no excuse to overshooting. In Punkncat's example if you bunker someone then more than 2-3 balls is totally unexceptable that close you won't miss so why over do it? Because youre so insecure in your abilitys that you want to prove dominance somehow? Because youve got confidence issues? Why? Seriously players wonder why the sport isn't growing anymore, if I'd been lit up in recball my first time I wouldn't be back. If players acted then like they do now I wouldn't be back. Where did the friendly fun game go? My field and even tourneys got it back, and banning overshooting and a zero tolerance policy for it was a big part in that(inviting aggletts not to comeback unless they changed thier attitudes was another). Just stop overshooting people, its not that hard!!! [ /rant]

[Draken]

I feel that all of you that say over shooting is part of the game and a given are completely full of BS. Sounds like you are the same people that overshoot, then complain when it happens to you. Its all about trigger control, you don't have to just sit there and lay on it tossing 30 - 40 balls at someone and watch 1/2 of them hit...Where I have been playing for the past 4 years almost exclusively there is a 3 shot to the body rule, if you break more then 3 balls on someones body you walk with them, gun, mask, and gear hits to NOT count to breaks on the body. This is to make it more new player friendly. And ya know, in the 4 years I have been playing at this field, I have been "over shot" 1 time and that was because I made a stupid move and had 5 people hit me 2 - 3 times each.