The DevilMag:

[mpsd]

What is everyone's opinion on the least problematic E-Pneu board and noid capable of 25bps? I don't know anything about boards, I keep hearing the names "scenario dreams," "universal," "mini morlock," and "predator," and I hate having no idea what people are talking about! Can someone just fill me in real quick?

Mini Morlock is a universal board made by Tag Sportz and it's code is known as the Predator code. There are three versions that I'm aware of, being the 3.0 (really old), 5.0 and the newest 10.0. I have one of these on my Alien Mag and I like it. This board is out of production now (it was a short run of 150 boards or so on the last iteration).

Universal, as the name says, is a board that can be installed in any electronic or electro-pneumatic marker.

Scenario Dreams is a manufacturer that also has a universal board. I bought one for my new project but didn't finish the project yet so can't say much about it.

There are also other board manufacturers such as Tadao (great boards!), Virtue (also good ones) and APE (Advanced Paintball Electronics). I never used any of those personally.

Try Googling it and make some research here and at PBN. Also take a look at PB Review and Warpig. You'll probably find what you're looking for.

[p8ntbal4me]

What is everyone's opinion on the least problematic E-Pneu board and noid capable of 25bps? I don't know anything about boards, I keep hearing the names "scenario dreams," "universal," "mini morlock," and "predator," and I hate having no idea what people are talking about! Can someone just fill me in real quick?

The board made by TAG (The Angel Guy),.. also known as Predator Electronics, put out a board in league with a company called KM2, which was headed by a guy named Kurt.

The board they put out together was called the "Morlock". Which was made for no gun in particular. You bought it from them with the knowledge that YOU needed to hook it up and make it work properly.

The problem with the Morlock was not the board,.. but the company that made the board.
Ask BigEvil about the E-Mag boards promised by TAG some time. You'll want a case of beer and a lazy-boy on stand by before you ask though!

The newest board that is a Universal board is made from Scenario Dreams, called the "Universal T-Board" (names the UTB by yours truly!) It has the same coding as all the other T-Boards made by SD,... but again,.. you have to hook it up yourself.

If your venturing down this path and looking for a board,.. I have a few for sale.

~ P8nt

[questionful]

Thanks for the info guys, it'll get me started on some research.

What do you guys think the future holds for sear-tripping noids and their boards, and E-Pneu boards and their 'noid/valves?

[p8ntbal4me]

What do you guys think the future holds for E-Pneu boards and their 'noid/valves?

Im actually finishing up the milling on a Logic UMF and a Cerberus Innovations Storm Walk EP frames as I watch this thread.

Hoping to run them next weekend at AG Paintball.

~ P8nt

[Coralis]

here you go

http://www.goapeonline.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=28&vmcchk=1&Itemid=28

http://www.scenariodreams.com/productpages/universaltboard.htm

[st6212]

I'm building a new mag. Having a custom 90 degree frame made from scratch. Will be using a pancake noid and a mini-morlock board with 10.0 code. The frame will be shorter than the Chimera frames (never liked how tall they were).

A pic:

[Ruler_Mark]

That is looking verrry nice!

[Empyreal Rogue]

Well, I'm still considering this, and even more so now because I need to make some quick and easy money so I might have to sell my X-Mag lowers. I plan on keeping my Pneumag as its been a very reliable marker, but I'm still not sure if I want to put together a home made E-Frame.

Weight is a big concern for me since I typically play the front man role, and my pneumag setup is perfect for it. ULE body, original ULE RogueRail, and a Chimera Frame. And lets face it, no matter what we do to the E or X-Mag lowers it's still a heavy setup. I love the way my E-Mag is built, but it just feels heavy and I would like to have something new, something different. That's why I'm so interested in a DIY E-Frame.

ROF is a concern to me. If I'm going to have or build an electronic marker then it should shoot faster than my pneumag, or else I would feel that my money and time would have been wasted.

Ease of use is not a huge concern for me, afterall I have a pneumag. It literally took me months to tune it to perfection. While I didn't build my pneumag (Pneumagger did it for me), I've taken it apart and tuned it so many times that I could very easily rebuild it on my own. I'm an engineer at heart so sitting down and building, and tinkering is something that comes very easily for me.

P8nt, you have a pretty wide knowledge of boards, in your experience which board would you recommend most and why? I like the E-Mag board because it's very programable wherever you are, are there any aftermarket boards like that?

How do E-Frames stack up to EP-Frames? Reading back in this thread you said EP-Frames are good for 25+ BPS which sounds awesome, but what about E-Frames? Or was that what you meant by pancake solenoids?

Compared to a Pneumag, does an EP-Mag have short stroking problems, or is it just an electronic marker that uses pneumatics to reset and trip the sear?

Heh I didn't realize I would have this many questions, but it seems like a DIY frame is a very heavy investment so I might as well try to learn as much as I can before I even make the first purchase.

[Ruler_Mark]

Well, I'm still considering this, and even more so now because I need to make some quick and easy money so I might have to sell my X-Mag lowers. I plan on keeping my Pneumag as its been a very reliable marker, but I'm still not sure if I want to put together a home made E-Frame.
Do both :P
Weight is a big concern for me since I typically play the front man role, and my pneumag setup is perfect for it. ULE body, original ULE RogueRail, and a Chimera Frame. And lets face it, no matter what we do to the E or X-Mag lowers it's still a heavy setup. I love the way my E-Mag is built, but it just feels heavy and I would like to have something new, something different. That's why I'm so interested in a DIY E-Frame.
I agree with you, I personally am building a mech pnue setup within bare emag lowers
ROF is a concern to me. If I'm going to have or build an electronic marker then it should shoot faster than my pneumag, or else I would feel that my money and time would have been wasted.
I personally feel that a pnue setup can go faster than a 9v driven solenoid. The pnue can shortstroke if your dwell is too short or the lpr somehow starves the actuator or if you arent an ep you dont hold the trigger down long engough
Ease of use is not a huge concern for me, afterall I have a pneumag. It literally took me months to tune it to perfection. While I didn't build my pneumag (Pneumagger did it for me), I've taken it apart and tuned it so many times that I could very easily rebuild it on my own. I'm an engineer at heart so sitting down and building, and tinkering is something that comes very easily for me.
I think most ao'ers are engineers, atleast to some degree, me being a computer engineer personally
P8nt, you have a pretty wide knowledge of boards, in your experience which board would you recommend most and why? I like the E-Mag board because it's very programable wherever you are, are there any aftermarket boards like that?
I'm not p8nt but you wont find boards that have readable outputs that can be mounted in any frame. The only other frames that had readable screens were most eblade/ego boards and sypders
How do E-Frames stack up to EP-Frames? Reading back in this thread you said EP-Frames are good for 25+ BPS which sounds awesome, but what about E-Frames? Or was that what you meant by pancake solenoids?
see above statements
Compared to a Pneumag, does an EP-Mag have short stroking problems, or is it just an electronic marker that uses pneumatics to reset and trip the sear?
see above statements
Heh I didn't realize I would have this many questions, but it seems like a DIY frame is a very heavy investment so I might as well try to learn as much as I can before I even make the first purchase.

[Empyreal Rogue]

Aren't the Ego boards pretty small? I doubt an E-Blade board would fit, I do know those are kind of big. But it wouldn't be the end of the world for me if neither could fit, it's just a feature I'd like to have.

So even with an EP setup there can be short stroke problems? Hm.. That's really a big concern of mine as I've had a few problems with that on my Pneumag, though I haven't had any air to test whether or not my magnet setup cleaned that up any. My Pneumag doesn't short stroke a lot, but sometimes it's hard to hold down a constant stream for more than a few seconds because of it.

It's funny, a lot of the features I seem to want, most are already on the E-Mag board. Maybe I'm getting the wrong impression off these aftermarket boards but it seems like they aren't adjustable. Just hook everything up and it's an electric semi marker.

[Ruler_Mark]

Aren't the Ego boards pretty small? I doubt an E-Blade board would fit, I do know those are kind of big. But it wouldn't be the end of the world for me if neither could fit, it's just a feature I'd like to have.

So even with an EP setup there can be short stroke problems? Hm.. That's really a big concern of mine as I've had a few problems with that on my Pneumag, though I haven't had any air to test whether or not my magnet setup cleaned that up any. My Pneumag doesn't short stroke a lot, but sometimes it's hard to hold down a constant stream for more than a few seconds because of it.

It's funny, a lot of the features I seem to want, most are already on the E-Mag board. Maybe I'm getting the wrong impression off these aftermarket boards but it seems like they aren't adjustable. Just hook everything up and it's an electric semi marker.

Just set you rof to like 25, your lpr with starve it unless you have it at a ineffcient setting.


Ego boards are the same screw footprint as a eblade, they have no capacitor tho