Warp + Pinokio = very interesting....

[drg]

Question ... do you really need a warp with a force-feed loader? Just how far can force feed loaders propel a ball along a tube? After all, a Halo wheel is pretty much a sideways warp.

I'm pretty sure I've seen a milsim gun that uses a under-gun box loader that has halo guts, in which the halo wheel pushes balls up to the gun's breech.

[Chronobreak]

a force feed, no not reall but an agitated loader is pretty necesary

if you know what your doing its not hard to make some unique hopper setups.

[B-Pow]

Question ... do you really need a warp with a force-feed loader? Just how far can force feed loaders propel a ball along a tube? After all, a Halo wheel is pretty much a sideways warp.

I'm pretty sure I've seen a milsim gun that uses a under-gun box loader that has halo guts, in which the halo wheel pushes balls up to the gun's breech.

No, you don't need a force feed loader for a warp, but with the costs of the halo and other compeition going down for the new generation of loaders (Magna, troque, jrny), why not?

[mostpeople]

rediculous

[drg]

You guys misread what I wrote. I'm not asking if you need a force-feed loader for a warp setup, I'm asking if you need a warp with a force-feed loader.

[questionful]

You guys misread what I wrote. I'm not asking if you need a force-feed loader for a warp setup, I'm asking if you need a warp with a force-feed loader.

Yes you do. If you ran a hose from the bottom of a halo up to the breach, you would have to modify the halo's software. Halos only feed when their eyes don't see paint in their feednecks, and this would never happen with up-hill feed. So unless you use one of those continuous force loaders, or something you can intelli, or figure something else out, no, you can't do that.

[snoopay700]

Yes you do. If you ran a hose from the bottom of a halo up to the breach, you would have to modify the halo's software. Halos only feed when their eyes don't see paint in their feednecks, and this would never happen with up-hill feed. So unless you use one of those continuous force loaders, or something you can intelli, or figure something else out, no, you can't do that.

What about an empire?

[drg]

Yes you do. If you ran a hose from the bottom of a halo up to the breach, you would have to modify the halo's software. Halos only feed when their eyes don't see paint in their feednecks, and this would never happen with up-hill feed. So unless you use one of those continuous force loaders, or something you can intelli, or figure something else out, no, you can't do that.

As long as the balls kept moving, wouldn't it keep running? I believe the halo looks for ball motion. I am fairly sure a Halo can push paint higher than its level. I'll have to get some hosing and test it.

However I suppose if that didnt work, a reloader or as you noted, a constant-feed system might work fine.

Point being, is the warp duplication? I think it is.

http://forum.ariakon.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7479

[snoopay700]

As long as the balls kept moving, wouldn't it keep running? I believe the halo looks for ball motion. I am fairly sure a Halo can push paint higher than its level. I'll have to get some hosing and test it.

However I suppose if that didnt work, a reloader or as you noted, a constant-feed system might work fine.

Point being, is the warp duplication? I think it is.

http://forum.ariakon.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7479

Well the thing is the paint wouldn't move because it would have to have a hose that went down, then bent up, then into the gun, and the gun firing wouldn't cause the balls in the bottom of the stack to move. That's why the warp listens to the gun instead. I'm just wondering if a reloader would have enough oomph to make it.

[questionful]

I took my friend's halo, hooked it up to a 45* VL elbow, a 90* copper elbow, and a 1' copper pipe and ran marbles through it. So the pipe was at about 45" which would put the elevation at (12/square root 2. . .) about 8.5"above the bottom of the halo's feedneck. Now, the double elbows and pipe probably made for a pretty bad feed system, but the halo could barely feed the balls to the top.

[drg]

I took my friend's halo, hooked it up to a 45* VL elbow, a 90* copper elbow, and a 1' copper pipe and ran marbles through it. So the pipe was at about 45" which would put the elevation at (12/square root 2. . .) about 8.5"above the bottom of the halo's feedneck. Now, the double elbows and pipe probably made for a pretty bad feed system, but the halo could barely feed the balls to the top.

I am finding that smooth feeding is essential to this exercise, the halo provides plenty of force but once the balls stop moving it's going to stop feeding. How do the weight of the marbles compared with the weight of paintballs? That's another critical factor.

Was it a normal halo or a souped up one?

[drg]

Well the thing is the paint wouldn't move because it would have to have a hose that went down, then bent up, then into the gun, and the gun firing wouldn't cause the balls in the bottom of the stack to move. That's why the warp listens to the gun instead. I'm just wondering if a reloader would have enough oomph to make it.

That would be a zero-force situation, however Halos do provide positive force so the balls would indeed move, at least up to a certain height.

[Beemer]

If you cant use the "goofy angle technique" you might as well not bother with a Warp at all. THATS the advantage. Other than the size of the hopper its a typical Warp setup.

Can you say TK Warp Lesson.

It's not an advantage imo it's just annoying to have to flip the gun 90 degrees to keep from sticking a giant box out the left side of a bunker to get shot.......I prefer the advantage of being able to shoot offhanded to the small advantage of removing the hopper.

Removing the hopper is a big advantage for me.

Paintball players have to be actors to get it. See vid.


http://home.comcast.net/~beemerone/T...WarpLesson.wmv 5 Megs, two min long


Blimp, Warp, Blimp, Warp

[rkjunior303]

If you cant use the "goofy angle technique" you might as well not bother with a Warp at all. THATS the advantage. Other than the size of the hopper its a typical Warp setup.

anyone unwilling to learn to shoot/snap with both hands is just lazy, anyways LOL.

[drg]

Can you say TK Warp Lesson.





Removing the hopper is a big advantage for me.

Paintball players have to be actors to get it. See vid.


http://home.comcast.net/~beemerone/T...WarpLesson.wmv 5 Megs, two min long


Blimp, Warp, Blimp, Warp

Who puts their hopper out there like that?