Has any ever tried to make a Titanium bolt for the Automag?

[MAGslinger]

Just think of how much more gas-efficent (and faster) a RT or X-Valve would be if there were a titanium bolt you could buy for your automag? Has any ever attempted to market something like that?

[mr.mag218]

Just think of how much more gas-efficent (and faster) a RT or X-Valve would be if there were a titanium bolt you could buy for your automag? Has any ever attempted to market something like that?

how would the exact same bolt design made of different material make it more gas efficiant?

[BigEvil]

The ptp lvl 7 venturi bolt was either Ti or Ti nitride plated.

The material and weight of the bolt isnt really the issue when it comes to gas mileage.

[ElPanda]

I remember reading one of TK's posts discussing why he never really made anything out of titanium, cause it was expensive, more difficult to machine, and only had benefits if you used less of it.

I remember he made a batch of valves out of Ti to see if there was any differnce (they were heavier) and they got mixed in with normal valves, so somewhere out there are Ti valves that nobody knows about, he wanted one for his collection if I recall correctly.

[snoopay700]

I remember reading one of TK's posts discussing why he never really made anything out of titanium, cause it was expensive, more difficult to machine, and only had benefits if you used less of it.

I remember he made a batch of valves out of Ti to see if there was any differnce (they were heavier) and they got mixed in with normal valves, so somewhere out there are Ti valves that nobody knows about, he wanted one for his collection if I recall correctly.

I thought they ended up weighing the same. Hmm, i'm going to have to try to find that thread and resolve this.

But yeah, as for saving weight, you're probably not going to find a lighter and stronger bolt than the level 10.

[MoeMag]

Isnt the stem inside the bolt welded in... Good luck doing that with Ti.

[ajnin]

ti eats tools.

[Raven001]

Just think of how much more gas-efficent (and faster) a RT or X-Valve would be if there were a titanium bolt you could buy for your automag? Has any ever attempted to market something like that?

Around 94-95, Venom Toxic Toys or some one like that made what was claimed to be a Ti bolt for the Mag. It certainly was light and did help the rate of fire somewhat. It was too light and it wore out really quickly from rubbing against the spring and where the sear held the bolt. Don't remember it making any difference to the amount of air used.

[michbich]

There wasn't much diference in weight between the Ti and SS valves. The reason was: Ti weighs colse to SS, but is stronger. So you would need less of Ti in weight to equal the strenght of SS. Unfortunatly, they couldn't change the size of the valve for obvious reasons so the weight were pretty close.

Here is the Ti valve thread:

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=211583&highlight=titanium+valve

[egb groupie]

I wonder why no one has ever tried to do a spring kit for the Mag, similar to to what NDZ did for the Invert Mini. Worked pretty good for them...

[trevorjk]

I wonder why no one has ever tried to do a spring kit for the Mag, similar to to what NDZ did for the Invert Mini. Worked pretty good for them...

level 10

[ElPanda]

oh it was lighter not heavier

[snoopay700]

oh it was lighter not heavier

Ok, that's what i thought, i thought it was either the same or the weight savings were marginal.

[ajnin]

titanium is a lot more brittle as well.. seems in an application like a constanly moving bolt that is slamming into other parts, brittle wouldnt be so great.

[egb groupie]

level 10

I was meaning more like adjusting the actual strength of the springs, versus the lvl 10 springs which are basically all the same spring, just in various lengths. Could be interesting experimenting with the lvl 7 bolt.