Accuracy of the mag question.

[chafnerjr]

Yep, I totally agree with just about everything. I think we have a winner in the bench testing... I have no idea why I didn't think of that before Now, I've been here fielding for arguments that the kid will understand and that would be pretty hard to argue with now wouldn't it. I also like the one on one idea. Thanks guys!

[ajnin]

Wow... what a thread.

My pumpmag and pneumag for example have about -/+ 1-2 fps. The hyperframed xvalve I have seen 10 shots, all at the same fps.

As for the efficiency, I think most mag users find the more they use their mag the more efficient it gets. This is due to your trigger pull consistency of course. On the hyperframe it is of course handling the consistent pull for me.

All this being said, I can put ball on ball with my mags while running, as can most my team members. So my suggestion to you is to play more, and of course get a good barrel kit.

[mabb1975]

18 years of playing this game have taught me 1 thing over and over, Never has a gun made the player. I have went up against semi pro players in 1v1's with a Phantom VSC and won way more then I have lost. I have an automag that I competed with until 2000 and I still use it. The gun is heavy, not great for offhand shooting, bulky and slow, BUT.. I know EXACTLY what I can do with it and how I can do it. I own 36 guns of all different sizes and kinds. Most of them I can pick up and play with without a second thought, but only 3 of them can I pick up and play really well with, because I know the gun like its my child. Your friends teammate is very uneducated in the ways of paintball, and I agree has eaten the marketing 100%. Find a marker you like, get a good barrel kit, get it setup how YOU like it then work on your skills. I am willing to bet the player is 100% better with that random setup then by spending $1200 on a new Ego 08 or DM8 ( not saying they are bad markers ).

[dcent]

*sigh* agreed.
like everyone else allready said guns arent accurate, the shooter is ( aside from backspin barrels/bolts )

I would also like to say that I have a DM5, 05 ND Timmy, 2 Ions, and 2 mags and I have NEVER had my guns ( or seen anyone elses gun ) shoot +/- 2 or 3fps.

maybe if you shoot 2wice over the chrony and fluke out, but if you put 30 balls over the chroney I bet dollars to donuts that everygun on the market will have +/- 5 average.

every gun I have shot has had spikes up to 299 and drops down to 280 ( +/-10 ) but if you average them out over 30 rounds ( and I have had strings of 5 balls come out of every gun I own that have chronyed identical ) you get around +/-5

point being that accuracy is in the shooter. and if you are used to a heavy gun the kick generated by a lighter gun may actually deminish your accuracy.

and ( as previously stated by multiple posters ) buying into marketing is what paintball's all about.

I have drop tested Vlocitys ( stock first gen fastest setting ) halos, and pulse's and NONE have exceeded 22bps ( 18 is pretty common ) I have counted my ball loading and all have fallen short of advertised. if the player knows when to move and when NOT to stick his head out and when that kid is going to try a bunker move then the gun is just a tool. a good carpenter could use a rock instead of a hammer and still get results.

[Chrishew09]

think about this for a second.....

if two markers consistently fire a paintball @ 300fps, where is a difference in accuracy generated?

only job of a paintball marker is to take a paintball, put it in a tube and release some gas to propel the ball down the tube. If its consistent in the amt of gas released(velocity), then accuracy is only determined by paint and barrel.....of which paint is the main determining factor.



My marker is more accurate than yours!




moral of the story, get the marker your most comfortable with...because if your comfortable you will be more consistent in your shooting

(waits for someone to say "marker X" doesnt have kick so I can slap them in the face with a physics book)

This is my response to a "T", its the laws of physics my friends plain and simple.

[Chrishew09]

Seems pretty simple test to me.

Take the same paint and the same type/size barrel and put the guns side by side on a bench holding them still and shoot 10-30 balls each and watch the pattern. Then do it at a longer distance. And let that decide.

Chances are good it'll be a "tie" or close to it. Or just take and put 2 pie plates up at a distance and see how many out of XX balls hit it. Same thing. But bench the guns to take the human factor out of it.

The other thing you can do is set both guns up the same and play 1 on 1. Play 5 games. Then switch guns. Play 1 on 1. 5 games. See what it comes out as. NOW yes the guy trying to prove his point could sandbag and play stupid and get shot out easily and blame it on the gun but then he'd also have to admit he's a loser.

I like my mags.

DM

It's really not a simple comparison test b/c each paintball used in the test are not the same, so all is not equal. If you really want to get down to it, wind speed/direction, paint size/weight, temperature, ect...... are all variables that are uncontrolled so a true scientific test can not be performed.

[questionful]

The only effect a paintball gun has on the accuracy of its projectile is variance along the vertical axis, which is determined by consistency in velocity. The rest is the paint, the barrel, and the environment.

Whoever said the other guy should get an ego because it's more accurate than a mag is a moron.

[GoatBoy]

You'd think this would actually be a pretty quick conversation.


"Mag's are simply too inaccurate."

"Prove it."

[MAGslinger]

It would be easier to prove this by making a video to 'prove' Mags are in fact accurate, if not more accurate than most paintball markers.

[GRimm]

In the end it doesnt matter how accurate your marker is. It all depends on the user, but most people think that buying an expensive electro will make them a better player. Thats why its so fun to tag someone who is using a "superior" marker with something like a tippmann or a mag.

[esperto96]

I find one thing left out in bench testing accuracy/consistency, the ergonomics. I've mixed and matched parts for my two mags with interesting results.

Earlier this summer I had set up one of my mags with the classic rail, classic body, xvalve, and inteliframe. When I played, I felt like I couldn't hit anything. The gun just felt "wrong" in my hands. I didn't get very many eliminations.

I then added a drop forward and extended the forgrip significantly with parts from a qloader CMS kit and a stock A-5 forgrip. The next time I played it felt "right" and my accuracy improved, giving me more eliminations and more comfort in the game.

If I locked both versions of the gun onto the same test bench they would have shot the same. But in game they're not in a vice, but in my hands. It very well may shoot different.

We all have different length arms, different shoulder widths, neck heights, eye levels. What marker fits one person might not fit another. Even the same gun in different configurations will fit differently. I bet that will matter more than the difference between +/-5 fps and +/- 3fps.

Shoot what feels right to you and let others do the same. Fortunately, there are options for mags as far as mix and matching rails, grips, drops, and frames to make it fit you. So I'll keep shooting my mags.

[ThePixelGuru]

In light of these last two posts...

Markers are precise.
Shooters are accurate.

Your marker won't hit much if you're not aiming it (and gelatin spheres only get so precise).

[XM15]

This accuracy argument has been going on for years. The bottom line is paintball guns shoot a round ball out of a smooth bore barrel. In other words a paintball gun uses the same technology as a musket. The musket last saw service during the civial war. Everything that could be done with in the limits of the paintball shape and the barrel has been done many years ago. If you want any leap in accuracy you have to change the shape of the paintball to a more stable bullet shape and use a internally rifled barrel. This idea was tried many years ago. Some company showed off thier football shaped paintballs at the Zap Amatuer Open back in the mid 90's and it went no where.

[Toll]

I'll be honest, I'd probably just not play with the guy if he thinks that way. It's next to impossible to prove to some one who already has come to their own answer.

If people were to collect the data they'd find the only thing that makes a marker more or less accurate (or different at all for that matter) is the paint, barrel and valve; That any stacked tube ram based poppet valved marker will probably be within the same area and the same goes with spools.

[drewkroeker]

QUOTE: ajnin

"My pumpmag and pneumag for example have about -/+ 1-2 fps. The hyperframed xvalve I have seen 10 shots, all at the same fps."

I realize this might be off-topic, but on a technical note, how do you achieve such consistency? I love my mags and my fps stays pretty good, like -/+ 3-6 fps, but I would love to make that range even smaller.