To those posting items for sale with the list of "rules"

[Steelrat]

Just do what I do when I see those BST threads.

Ignore them, and move on. Screw them AND their gear.

[A-Tach-One]

Just do what I do when I see those BST threads.

Ignore them, and move on.

Exactly what I do.

[Toll]

I really don't mind the guide lines because it lets me know who/what I'm dealing with


If they are posting really stupid guide lines, maybe I'd rather not deal with them.

I am going to grab the first set I can find off the nation and we'll break'er down.

"Not bad"

"Rules:
- Don't PM me, post here
- Seems pretty valid to me, wants his thread up. I would do both if I was interested
- Trades are fine, lets see what you have
- This seems fine to me too
- No links to your threads, post your pics and offers here !!!!
-Kind of lazy, but it serves to keep it on the front page
- I will not ship first
- If I have 10x your feedback and we trade, you're shipping first. Sorry bud. "


BAD

- I Don't ship first. Esp. if its a trade. So Don't ask. Don't try
-So you're going to be hard to work with if I want to trade. The attitude makes me warry
- Paypal Preferred! you pay fees and shipping
Nope. Paypal fees are for the seller to absorb so unless you want to actually add 3% onto your pricing. By stating this it makes it look, to me, that you've got a "f--k you, pay me" attitude and thats my big gripe.
- Post here then pm me

- If you flame me, I WILL report you.

- Read the thread again.
-So right off the bat you're pretty sure that I'm a moron. Wonderful.

[Chronobreak]

good thread

it really is annoying when people post their own rules and obnoxious ones at that, even worse is when they try and get people in trouble for breaking "their" rules and not forum rules.

[Empyreal Rogue]

You realize that most people just copy-paste their sale threads from PBN, right?

[wetwrks]

You realize that most people just copy-paste their sale threads from PBN, right?

LOL I copy paste most mine from here.

[usagi_tetsu]

- I Don't ship first. Esp. if its a trade. So Don't ask. Don't try
-So you're going to be hard to work with if I want to trade. The attitude makes me warry

I always post the rule "I don't ship first", but I do admit that I rarely take in trades. I'm selling you an item, which means cash up front. I don't know how many times I've had to post this in my FS threads because some mental retread thinks that because he's got X more feedback posts than I do that I'm going to pack up whatever I'm selling, sight unseen, and send it to him and hope that he deigns to pay me when he gets it. If you pay me first and I screw you, you at least have an avenue of redress through the payment option - PayPal refunds most of the time, and if I screw you on a USPS MO, that's postal fraud and a federal crime. If I ship and you don't pay... well, let's hope the address you gave me will lead me to you, otherwise I'm SOL. So yes, the "I don't ship first" goes into effect when I sell. Don't like it? Drive on to somewhere else, private.

- Paypal Preferred! you pay fees and shipping
Nope. Paypal fees are for the seller to absorb so unless you want to actually add 3% onto your pricing. By stating this it makes it look, to me, that you've got a "f--k you, pay me" attitude and thats my big gripe.

Now, I find the fact that it's perfectly legal for PayPal to pass along the fees they are being charged by the various credit institutions (which is what part of those fees are), but illegal for us, the end users, to pass them along to our customers morally dirty. Major national corporations pass along credit card fees to us, the customers, all the time, you just don't notice it as they don't the credit card users specifically, they raise the prices for everybody. So I always phrase it this way - "Total I'm looking for is X, unless you pay with MO or check, and then I'll discount your total by Y." Look, I'm not in this for a business, but I have a business PayPal account just to be able to accept all the varieties of payments thru PP. I'm not here making money to pay bills, I'm trying to make up a little on used equipment so I can generally turn around and pick up other people's used equipment, and absorbing your preferred payment method's extra charges is not my obligation. No one asks the seller to pay the fee when you purchase a USPS money order, now do they? But, just like PP, they cost the buyer money when they sell them. So, why is PayPal different? Because it's in their contract? The logic just does not follow.

[shockman]

I hate that people demand more for using paypal. On eBay if I demand that as a seller I would be suspended, I know because I was warned once before I knew. Now I hate it.

[ThePixelGuru]

I post some rules in my thread, but not a lot and only because it's necessary. For instance, I say that I ship with delivery confirmation and that the buyer can either accept the extra cost of insurance or the risk of shipping without it. I don't want someone cheaping out on insurance and then blaming me when USPS loses it. It's never been an issue for me, but I'd like to be covered in case it happens.

Another rule I post is that I don't want offers posted in my threads but rather PMed to me. Otherwise my thread gets clogged with offers for half my asking price, and no one wants to pay my asking price because they can see all I've gotten are lowballs. Believe it or not, this is still a problem even when it's in the forum rules and bolded and bright red in my thread. Still, having the rule there allows me to quote the rule and otherwise ignore the post rather than treat it as a legitimate offer.

Some rules are legit to post, some are just annoying. I do feel that I need to post a couple rules, but I try not to make them stupid rules or waste too much time.

Now, I find the fact that it's perfectly legal for PayPal to pass along the fees they are being charged by the various credit institutions (which is what part of those fees are), but illegal for us, the end users, to pass them along to our customers morally dirty. Major national corporations pass along credit card fees to us, the customers, all the time, you just don't notice it as they don't the credit card users specifically, they raise the prices for everybody. So I always phrase it this way - "Total I'm looking for is X, unless you pay with MO or check, and then I'll discount your total by Y." Look, I'm not in this for a business, but I have a business PayPal account just to be able to accept all the varieties of payments thru PP. I'm not here making money to pay bills, I'm trying to make up a little on used equipment so I can generally turn around and pick up other people's used equipment, and absorbing your preferred payment method's extra charges is not my obligation. No one asks the seller to pay the fee when you purchase a USPS money order, now do they? But, just like PP, they cost the buyer money when they sell them. So, why is PayPal different? Because it's in their contract? The logic just does not follow.

That's not how it works at all. You claim that Paypal passes on the credit card fees as part of their price - well, pass along the Paypal fees as part of your price. If you don't want to lose money via Paypal, just add the extra buck or so to your posted price and stop violating your Paypal contract. You don't have to accept Paypal, but if you want to, you pay. I don't pass along Paypal fees to my buyers because I don't feel like waiting for money orders or checks. Hell, you can even give a discount to cash/check/money order buyers. I don't deal with people who want me to add Paypal fees because they've already proven they don't know how online trading works.

[usagi_tetsu]

That's not how it works at all. You claim that Paypal passes on the credit card fees as part of their price - well, pass along the Paypal fees as part of your price. If you don't want to lose money via Paypal, just add the extra buck or so to your posted price and stop violating your Paypal contract. You don't have to accept Paypal, but if you want to, you pay. I don't pass along Paypal fees to my buyers because I don't feel like waiting for money orders or checks. Hell, you can even give a discount to cash/check/money order buyers. I don't deal with people who want me to add Paypal fees because they've already proven they don't know how online trading works.

Thanks for repeating what I said and reinforcing my argument. Now if we can only get the rest of the internet chanting my rant, I for one will at least be happier. =D

[ThePixelGuru]

Thanks for repeating what I said and reinforcing my argument. Now if we can only get the rest of the internet chanting my rant, I for one will at least be happier. =D

Ah, I missed that part about discounting payments rather than passing on fees. Sorry I jumped on it, then, people asking the buyer for Paypal fees is kind of a pet peeve of mine as far as online trading goes.

[usagi_tetsu]

Ah, I missed that part about discounting payments rather than passing on fees. Sorry I jumped on it, then, people asking the buyer for Paypal fees is kind of a pet peeve of mine as far as online trading goes.

S'okay, I figured you were in a hurry and didn't read it fully. *shrug* Happens to the best of us.

[JesseB]

I post rules...

They make sense though. If it makes you not want to do business with me then that is perfectly fine I would rather my stuff go to someone mature than someone who is going to whine like a baby becuase someone wants to conduct a transaction in a certain way.


I mark up my guns to include paypal and shipping fees too
I dont post a price and then say oh yeah by the way you need to pay the fees and shipping and my gas money to get to the post office.
Unless paypal is from a credit card source which is a pet peeve of mine because that's an extra unaccounted for percentage.

All you gotta do is click back on your browser if you don't like someone's rules this thread is unneccesary whining.

[ThePixelGuru]

All you gotta do is click back on your browser if you don't like someone's rules this thread is unneccesary whining.

Well, some rules are a real joke. I post certain ones, but I also let out a sigh everytime I see someone with no feedback who posts "by posting here you agree to ship first i don't ship first ever!!!111one!!1!"

[blake20]

Buyer only

I only buy paintball gear from people on AO So far I have had only great experiences with everyone here, regardless of what rules they put in their post. I have done paypal and MO and not a problem one. As for other forums I can't say I have had as good of an experience as here. So props to AO just my $0.02