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  • Spider-TW
    U R techno-literate!

    • Oct 2006
    • 3554

    #16
    Originally posted by chafnerjr
    I tend to try and limit myself to a case a day (2k rounds) no matter what I am shooting. I just like to snap shoot until I get surrounded or rushed... then everyone finds out just how fast a pneumag actually is There were some crazy stupid charges last weekend at the fox 4 scenario and I really got to open her up for the second time this year

    on a side note. How many here run a QEV with their pneumag? I've hung one below my 3way temporarily and I've notice a bit of an improvement in the crispness of the cycle rate... but I'm trying to figure out where to best place it?!?!?!
    I have a QEV on my classic pneu. It's just inline, not mounted on the MPA-3 (same as yours I think), but you have to figure it is better than venting through that little hole in the MSV and every little bit on a classic valve helps. I kind of like the sound it makes. I bought it when I started the project as a 'maybe' item and added it well after I had the marker up and running. I think it gives me a little more slack before my fingers trip into the 'chuff zone'. If it were an RT or x-valve I don't think I would bother. I have a level 10 in it, so I just wail away sometimes.

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    • snoopay700
      Serious About Men

      • Jan 2006
      • 3071

      #17
      Originally posted by Spider-TW
      I have a QEV on my classic pneu. It's just inline, not mounted on the MPA-3 (same as yours I think), but you have to figure it is better than venting through that little hole in the MSV and every little bit on a classic valve helps. I kind of like the sound it makes. I bought it when I started the project as a 'maybe' item and added it well after I had the marker up and running. I think it gives me a little more slack before my fingers trip into the 'chuff zone'. If it were an RT or x-valve I don't think I would bother. I have a level 10 in it, so I just wail away sometimes.
      Gah, my RT's bad enough on air as it is, i couldn't imagine putting a QEV on it haha.
      Il n'y a point de sots si incommodes que ceux qui ont de l'esprit.

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      • Spider-TW
        U R techno-literate!

        • Oct 2006
        • 3554

        #18
        Originally posted by snoopay700
        Gah, my RT's bad enough on air as it is, i couldn't imagine putting a QEV on it haha.
        It's lost air anyway, the QEV just offers a bigger hole for it to leave. The only way you can judge if it makes a difference is subjective though. By the time you've finished testing it, you chuff less anyway.

        I've been tinkering with a plain ULT mag, and compared to my pneu, it doesn't feel much lighter than my stock x-valved mag, at least far from walkable.

        Wait a minute...where's the pictars?

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        • snoopay700
          Serious About Men

          • Jan 2006
          • 3071

          #19
          Originally posted by Spider-TW
          It's lost air anyway, the QEV just offers a bigger hole for it to leave. The only way you can judge if it makes a difference is subjective though. By the time you've finished testing it, you chuff less anyway.

          I've been tinkering with a plain ULT mag, and compared to my pneu, it doesn't feel much lighter than my stock x-valved mag, at least far from walkable.

          Wait a minute...where's the pictars?
          Well either way i don't have any place to mount it, i just always assumed that since there was a bigger hole it would allow even more gas to escape.

          And yeah, about the pictars...i forgot cause i fell asleep that day cause i was running off of 8 hours of sleep for 2 days, and yeah, and the next day i was too busy then came back to school. I'll get pictures up eventually.
          Il n'y a point de sots si incommodes que ceux qui ont de l'esprit.

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          • Spider-TW
            U R techno-literate!

            • Oct 2006
            • 3554

            #20
            What reminded me was the questions.

            Which valve and bolt are you using?

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            • chafnerjr
              All pneu all the way.

              • Mar 2008
              • 945

              #21
              It's not about letting more air out... it's about letting the same amount of air out faster... hence theoretically making the marker faster by allowing the 3way to dispense exausted air more quickly and get on to the next trigger pull. This should also help prevent chuffing.

              As for the comment about ULT not being any lighter than the standard mechanical... check your shims! The ULT can make the trigger pull much much lighter... maybe not walkable, but you can get some pretty impressive bursts... There should be a pretty darned obvious drop in pressure needed on the trigger... not pneu levels, but much lighter than stock.

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              • Spider-TW
                U R techno-literate!

                • Oct 2006
                • 3554

                #22
                Originally posted by chafnerjr
                It's not about letting more air out... it's about letting the same amount of air out faster... hence theoretically making the marker faster by allowing the 3way to dispense exausted air more quickly and get on to the next trigger pull. This should also help prevent chuffing.

                As for the comment about ULT not being any lighter than the standard mechanical... check your shims! The ULT can make the trigger pull much much lighter... maybe not walkable, but you can get some pretty impressive bursts... There should be a pretty darned obvious drop in pressure needed on the trigger... not pneu levels, but much lighter than stock.
                The ULT works fine. It is lighter than the RT and is still reactive (it will ride as long as I let it). It's just that I've played either RT or pneu for the last few years, and the ULT is just...eh...in between. I'll definitely keep it just for that reason though.

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                • snoopay700
                  Serious About Men

                  • Jan 2006
                  • 3071

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Spider-TW
                  What reminded me was the questions.

                  Which valve and bolt are you using?
                  Lvl 10 and a classic RT valve.

                  and chafner, i realize that now and it makes sense that it wouldn't exhaust more air, but for some reason i always thought it might make it less efficient, especially if the valve is only opened partway because then it vents like crazy but still shoots, and when walking there's probably a lot of that going on.
                  Il n'y a point de sots si incommodes que ceux qui ont de l'esprit.

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                  • Spider-TW
                    U R techno-literate!

                    • Oct 2006
                    • 3554

                    #24
                    Originally posted by snoopay700
                    Lvl 10 and a classic RT valve.

                    and chafner, i realize that now and it makes sense that it wouldn't exhaust more air, but for some reason i always thought it might make it less efficient, especially if the valve is only opened partway because then it vents like crazy but still shoots, and when walking there's probably a lot of that going on.
                    Sweet. Something that will cause a lot of venting and chuffing is setting a trigger stop right at the edge of opening the MSV-2. Even though it may shoot slowly, leave enough overtravel to pop the MSV-2 open fully and get closer to sealing the actuator side. Hold the trigger down after adjusting the trigger stop to see if it makes any difference. At some point it may still leak a little and you don't want to mash the seat in anyway.

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                    • snoopay700
                      Serious About Men

                      • Jan 2006
                      • 3071

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Spider-TW
                      Sweet. Something that will cause a lot of venting and chuffing is setting a trigger stop right at the edge of opening the MSV-2. Even though it may shoot slowly, leave enough overtravel to pop the MSV-2 open fully and get closer to sealing the actuator side. Hold the trigger down after adjusting the trigger stop to see if it makes any difference. At some point it may still leak a little and you don't want to mash the seat in anyway.
                      Eh, i'm fine with it how it is, i have the msv2 set up so that there's a slight bit of travel before it's tripped i think, but it may be on the edge, but i set it up with a ghetto magnet mod anyway, which makes the trigger really nice.
                      Il n'y a point de sots si incommodes que ceux qui ont de l'esprit.

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                      • Spider-TW
                        U R techno-literate!

                        • Oct 2006
                        • 3554

                        #26
                        Originally posted by snoopay700
                        Eh, i'm fine with it how it is, i have the msv2 set up so that there's a slight bit of travel before it's tripped i think, but it may be on the edge, but i set it up with a ghetto magnet mod anyway, which makes the trigger really nice.
                        ghetto or not, I'm always wondering if there aren't more ways to use magnets on markers.

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                        • snoopay700
                          Serious About Men

                          • Jan 2006
                          • 3071

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Spider-TW
                          ghetto or not, I'm always wondering if there aren't more ways to use magnets on markers.
                          Eh, i've thought of a few, haven't been able to test them yet though.
                          Il n'y a point de sots si incommodes que ceux qui ont de l'esprit.

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                          • chafnerjr
                            All pneu all the way.

                            • Mar 2008
                            • 945

                            #28
                            Originally posted by snoopay700
                            Eh, i've thought of a few, haven't been able to test them yet though.

                            Now... if we had a semi metallic paint or shell on a paintball we could start the AGD rail gun (railmag RT)... we'll see who's the first to patent this time!

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                            • snoopay700
                              Serious About Men

                              • Jan 2006
                              • 3071

                              #29
                              Originally posted by chafnerjr
                              Now... if we had a semi metallic paint or shell on a paintball we could start the AGD rail gun (railmag RT)... we'll see who's the first to patent this time!
                              Yeah, cause that wouldn't be dangerous, or destroy the shell.

                              Nah, the only way magnets will come in is how they trigger the gun and such.
                              Il n'y a point de sots si incommodes que ceux qui ont de l'esprit.

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