Bye Bye NPPL....

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  • mixwell2
    Searching for Tom Kaye
    • Oct 2003
    • 221

    #1

    Bye Bye NPPL....

    taken from WARPIG site

    who cares how your marker looks...just move fast and shoot straight
  • punkncat
    One foot less
    • Feb 2003
    • 5841

    #2
    This has been getting some serious attention around the forums, esp on the nation.

    I think it will give the sport an opportunity to streamline and become better.

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    • halB
      Registered User
      • Sep 2002
      • 953

      #3
      The dinosaurs need to die. We need to move to a tourney system that is more similar to high school varsity sports.

      Can someone give me one good reason why some amateur team in Miami should have to fly out to California for their first tournament? How on earth is that feasible by the average player? How does it make sense for a "team" (which is nothing more than a loose gaggle of friends) to travel across the country when they haven't even proved themselves where they live?

      Have the players in Miami determine the best Miami player. Have the players in Broward determine their best players. Have Miami face off against Broward. Have that winner face North Florida's best team. And then have the best team in Florida play against the best teams in the SE, and have the best SE team play against the best NE team...

      YOU GET THE POINT!!!

      Let me get a team together. Let me get some friends to wear the same jersey. And then let me compete against other teams for a minimum of money. No team should have to travel to ANY event, until they have proven themselves where they live.

      We have a world cup? Are you kidding me?! They didn't even have a superbowl until several decades after pro ball became legitimate. We're treating ourselves as more legitimate than we really are as a sport.

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      • master_alexander
        im a gun pimp :D
        • Sep 2004
        • 2462

        #4
        Originally posted by halB
        We need to move to a tourney system that is more similar to high school varsity sports.
        win.
        "Ah yes, I have one of the 32*rebels that I always take to big scenario games. It keeps the truck from rolling if I have to park on a hill." - automikey

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        • cockerpunk
          Haters Gonna Hate
          • Sep 2004
          • 1383

          #5
          the trouble is the the PSP's rule book is a total joke.

          every rule in that book is based on the thought process "well, players are going to cheat, so lets make it legal!"
          "because every vengeful cop with a lesbian daughter, is having a bad day, and looking for someone to blame"

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          • bunny5
            lurking
            • Jan 2005
            • 1099

            #6
            why do i have a feeling smart parts is going to buy them out?

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            • skipdogg
              OG & HNIC
              • Nov 2000
              • 1392

              #7
              its sad to see one more thing in paintball go belly up. Especially something as prominent and visible as the NPPL. Who knows what will happen. In general bad businesses fail all the time, I guess you could say the NPPL was a bad business. Typically getting rid of the weak only makes things better. Hopefully this will turn out to be true.
              OLD AO FEEDBACK

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              • halB
                Registered User
                • Sep 2002
                • 953

                #8
                Originally posted by bunny5
                why do i have a feeling smart parts is going to buy them out?

                They don't have to buy anything. Smart parts has already patented the CONCEPT of having a professional paintball league.

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                • Hilltop Customs
                  Registered User
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 1260

                  #9
                  IDK what you guys are talking about, smart parts IS paintball

                  (I was saying it sarcastically, but thinking about it....kinda makes me sad since it is kind of true)

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                  • Lohman446
                    Useful posts: 7
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 9315

                    #10
                    Its sad that the companies that were building paintball into a bigger, better pie for everyone are going out, and those that were scavenging what they could are taking over.
                    "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess

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                    • Cold Steel
                      Pain Purifies
                      • Oct 2006
                      • 47

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Lohman446
                      Its sad that the companies that were building paintball into a bigger, better pie for everyone are going out, and those that were scavenging what they could are taking over.
                      How does a company losing 300K per event equate to "a bigger, better pie for everyone?" Over 5 years that translates to a loss of 7.5 MILLION dollars. Only deep pockets kept them in business. Now that there's only one national league, there is a huge opportunity for the tournament side of paintball to standardize on things such as format, rules, player classification, etc... I hope the powers that be, with the PSP, make the most of this opportunity.

                      CS

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                      • Beemer
                        I could tell you but then.

                        • Oct 2003
                        • 3250

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Cold Steel
                        Now that there's only one national league, there is a huge opportunity for the tournament side of paintball to standardize on things such as format, rules, player classification, etc... I hope the powers that be, with the PSP, make the most of this opportunity.CS
                        Bah...................We had that opportunity when we formed the NPPL. It started as a league for the players by the players and it was working until the money started talking. The PIE was big enough for all but not all saw it that way, they wanted more PIE.

                        Standards is a nine letter dirty word in PAINTBALL. We cant get that right in twenty five years, dont hold your breath now.

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                        • Lohman446
                          Useful posts: 7
                          • Jun 2003
                          • 9315

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Cold Steel
                          How does a company losing 300K per event equate to "a bigger, better pie for everyone?" Over 5 years that translates to a loss of 7.5 MILLION dollars. Only deep pockets kept them in business. Now that there's only one national league, there is a huge opportunity for the tournament side of paintball to standardize on things such as format, rules, player classification, etc... I hope the powers that be, with the PSP, make the most of this opportunity.

                          CS
                          AGD, NPPL (as originally formed), WGP (I can recall Bud going to New Jersey IIRC to testify in court cases), Palmers - there are many others out there that did not seek simply the most possible sales in the market that existed, they sought to improve and expand the game of paintball to more and more people, to make it better.

                          Thats not as true of the current companies, at least as they are run now. Most of them are run as rather short sighted companies seeking the most possible profit out of today, with little concern about the sport itself, or where it will be in the future.

                          It equates to the theory - rather than getting a bigger piece of the pie by taking some from you (my competitor) we are all going to get bigger pieces by making things better. Its the kind of attitude and cooperation that fueled the rapid growth and expansion that fueled the companies you see now fighting vehemently for there share of a retracting market.

                          Its not about the economy either - paintball in the time that these great companies rose was far more expensive (and exclusive) than it is now.
                          "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess

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                          • Lohman446
                            Useful posts: 7
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 9315

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Beemer
                            Bah...................We had that opportunity when we formed the NPPL. It started as a league for the players by the players and it was working until the money started talking. The PIE was big enough for all but not all saw it that way, they wanted more PIE.

                            Standards is a nine letter dirty word in PAINTBALL. We cant get that right in twenty five years, dont hold your breath now.

                            Let me add:

                            Anyone want to bet that the cost of playing at, attending (I have to buy tickets now to watch?), or sponsoring any of the "big" events is going to go up next year. With the ability to point towards NPPL and the "consequences of not being profitable" how much are they going to go up?

                            We have replaced the companies trying to make paintball better with the companies trying to make the most profit possible. Hint: Unless you are on a professional team (I mean one of the small handful of true professional teams that pay a living wage) these changes are not going to help you, they may hurt you. If you are of the ability and lifestyle for one of these teams you might have a prayer of it helping.
                            "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess

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                            • Beemer
                              I could tell you but then.

                              • Oct 2003
                              • 3250

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Lohman446
                              AGD, NPPL (as originally formed), WGP (I can recall Bud going to New Jersey IIRC to testify in court cases), Palmers - there are many others out there that did not seek simply the most possible sales in the market that existed, they sought to improve and expand the game of paintball to more and more people, to make it better.
                              Thats not as true of the current companies, at least as they are run now. Most of them are run as rather short sighted companies seeking the most possible profit out of today, with little concern about the sport itself, or where it will be in the future.It equates to the theory - rather than getting a bigger piece of the pie by taking some from you (my competitor) we are all going to get bigger pieces by making things better. Its the kind of attitude and cooperation that fueled the rapid growth and expansion that fueled the companies you see now fighting vehemently for there share of a retracting market.

                              Its not about the economy either - paintball in the time that these great companies rose was far more expensive (and exclusive) than it is now.

                              Well thats like a ding, ding, ding right there. Then again all the smart folks saw that it wasnt going to work that way and left. Should we start that list now? Or how about the list on why paintball is so STUPID. Twenty five freaking years and no real Governing body, ya that is stupid. Not to mention that nine letter dirty word.

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