EP Frame Acuator: Generic or Custom

[p8ntbal4me]

EP Frame Acuator: Generic or Custom

I have a few designs on the table right now and Im curious as to what the community would look at for pneumatic actuator use.

Basically,... there are 2 options:

#1) Use an MPA-3 with solenoid
#2) Use a custom actuator with solenoid

Whats the difference? The MPA-3 uses "off the shelf" parts and can be replaced prety much by anyone. The custom actuator requires machining and if you wanted to make your own, yo would have to have one made (not "off the shelf").

The downside to the MPA-3 is the length, theres no reason for it to be as long as it is. A custom acuator would be much shorter (about 0.700") and it would fit inside the AGD frames without additional milling (depth milling from the top).

Im asking because the design and execution of a frame evolves around this.

I had a few custom rams made, but they are longer than the MPA-3. If I was going to make a new one,.. it would be MUCH smaller.

No timeline for the frame yet,.... please keep opinions/questions directed toward the poll topic.

~ P8nt

[Dend78]

depending totally on how easy it is to install i vote custom. it can be made to better fit our current frames and such, parts arent redily available but that is something we can beat you up for later on

[p8ntbal4me]

depending totally on how easy it is to install i vote custom. it can be made to better fit our current frames and such, parts arent redily available but that is something we can beat you up for later on

Douh! I added in "it will fit AGD frames" to the custom actuator.

~ P8nt

[hellbatman]

When you say "It will fit AGD frames" are you saying with zero milling? Would there be the possibility of one for the building of standard P-Mags?

Thanks
Curtis

[Dend78]

When you say "It will fit AGD frames" are you saying with zero milling? Would there be the possibility of one for the building of standard P-Mags?

Thanks
Curtis

yeah if that bia slides right in then why are you askin get em made

and if it works for regular PMag conversions which i believe it should, since its still a ram and needs air to make it function

[p8ntbal4me]

When you say "It will fit AGD frames" are you saying with zero milling? Would there be the possibility of one for the building of standard P-Mags?

Thanks
Curtis

Changed custom actuator to say "would fit inside the AGD frames without additional milling (depth milling from the top)."

~ P8nt

[hellbatman]

yeah if that bia slides right in then why are you askin get em made

and if it works for regular PMag conversions which i believe it should, since its still a ram and needs air to make it function

When he says "Manifold" I think back to my electros and how the solenoid bolts up. So...I was thinking if it was a manifold such as is on my BKO or B2k...one would need an adapter plate...

[p8ntbal4me]

When he says "Manifold" I think back to my electros and how the solenoid bolts up. So...I was thinking if it was a manifold such as is on my BKO or B2k...one would need an adapter plate...

I said "Manifold" because the manifold is common from going to 2 pieces and not one.

Goal would be to do what CoolHand has done,.. make the solenoid mount to the acuator,.. which requires no manifold. (piece that re-directs the air from the solenoid to the acuator ports)

Upside to a manifold use,.. you could use the same ram and make manifolds to work with ANY solenoid of your choice.

Other option would be: make multiple rams for multiple solenoids.

~ P8nt

[Spider-TW]

Custom would be fine if it uses common seals so that it can be rebuilt easily.

[hellbatman]

What I am asking is more would I be able to use this to make a straight Pneu-mag with say...the MSV-2 or the SMAV-3
From what I understand the idea is that this is a ram built to where the port is from the side as opposed how the MPA-3 has it opposite the ram...right?

[p8ntbal4me]

What I am asking is more would I be able to use this to make a straight Pneu-mag with say...the MSV-2 or the SMAV-3
From what I understand the idea is that this is a ram built to where the port is from the side as opposed how the MPA-3 has it opposite the ram...right?

Ehhhh,.. you lost me in the second part of your question.

The idea on the custom actuator would be to not have hoses running from the solenoid and the ram,.. just the solenoid. The reason for this is the least amount of distance the air has to travel,.. the more efficient the air usage is and lower the dwell time can be.

Could you use the ram in a Pneu-Mag? I would think so.... we would have to tap the ports that the solenoid used in the least.

Keep in mind,.. more steps drive the cost up.

I would think a cheaper solution would be to make a actuator that was built for the Pneu-Mag person in mind. Like I said before,.. we could design anything we needed. Let me take some measurements of something,.. see if you guys like it.

Check back around 11pm EST

~ P8nt

[hellbatman]

You answered my question! Sorry...I haven't been able to sleep the past day or two...
Awesome! Pending a few things...I have a project in store for such a thing! I cannot wait to see the finished project!
Thanks
Curtis

[ElPanda]

Id like to see somebody do a run of drop in valve/actuator assembleys for pneu mags that come pre-fabbed to properly actuate the lower end of the sear arm, with the valve up top and the actuator down low.

similar to what the G force frame has

also similar to the setup Zap made a while back using lexan

http://home.comcast.net/~iod-zap/paintball/gun2.jpg

[p8ntbal4me]

Here is what the Custom Actuator would look like if you wanted one for Pneu-Mags.

Something very simular would be made for solenoid use,.. just adding ports.




~ P8nt

[hellbatman]

The port on the bottom being the Intake? What are the holes on the piston side? Built in QEV?

Sorry I ask so many questions >.>