Mags in tourneys?

[Elemental]

Over the weekend at practice (for Georgia Tech's new paintball team) I decided to put down the Viking and try using my mag (x-valve with tuned ULT, ULE body, intelli). After a couple games, I could tell that I played way better with the mag and liked using it more (mainly because its lighter and more compact).

My question is, will I be allowed to use my mag in tournaments? I have the ULT tuned so where there is no bounce at all and the trigger is walkable. My concern is that I could probably walk it up to and over the 10.5bps cap for CFOA (aka PSP rules) and there is no way to cap it. What do ya'll think?

[robertsr1811]

I've heard that if you run a gravity feed hopper (revvy for example) that they will allow it. Since your hopper can't drop faster than 8-10 you're cool that way.

Just what I've heard, though, you should probably check with the tourney staff.

[Watcher]

As far as SPPL rules go, any mech marker, regardless of speed, if it is fully mech it can run any hopper. If that gives you an advantage then good.

Any marker with an RT effect or any other assisted trigger must have the loader be it's cap, and any electronic marker can have the software cap.

So, you should be fine whatever you do, if the PSP runs the same way.


But, yeah... check with the head ref or tournament staff and see for sure.

[Loguzzzzzz]

Wow!

There is at least one other guy that likes shooting the mag over the AKA Viking. I was starting to think I was the only one the way these AKA guys go on and on about them. I have a Viking and an Excalibur and still prefer the mags.

As far as the tourney's are concerned, I believe that Watcher is correct.

[Engus]

As far as SPPL rules go, any mech marker, regardless of speed, if it is fully mech it can run any hopper. If that gives you an advantage then good.

Any marker with an RT effect or any other assisted trigger must have the loader be it's cap, and any electronic marker can have the software cap.

So, you should be fine whatever you do, if the PSP runs the same way.


But, yeah... check with the head ref or tournament staff and see for sure.

this subject came up just recently in a talk about the new 10bps rule. The PSP doesnt have any hopper limitations, and if the marker is mechanical (no batteries) and is 1 shot per trigger pull, then it is excluded from the 10bps limit. So, like autocockers, ult mags, and pneumags would be allowed.

It might be a good idea to make sure the CFOA is the same, but you could do that at the next tournament and just your viking if they deny the mag.

[BigEvil]

Wow!

There is at least one other guy that likes shooting the mag over the AKA Viking. I was starting to think I was the only one the way these AKA guys go on and on about them. I have a Viking and an Excalibur and still prefer the mags.

As far as the tourney's are concerned, I believe that Watcher is correct.

Ive owned three aka guns, couldnt get rid of them fast enough but that is just my preference. They are well built quality markers, but I just didnt care for them.

This whole new set of tourney rules regarding the ROF cap needs some clarification in regards to mechs.

[Hgblues]

I dont' think you will have any problem in CFOA with a mag, as long as it's not bouncing like a RT.

[mpsd]

I've played the Brazilian National Cup with my X-Moded e-Mag and two other small tourneys with my Alien Mag with no problem what-so-ever. I think only a RT Mag with mechanical trigger bounce wouldn't be allowed.

[warbeak2099]

The CFOA rules specifically allow for mechanical RT valved Mags.

[Elemental]

Wow!

There is at least one other guy that likes shooting the mag over the AKA Viking. I was starting to think I was the only one the way these AKA guys go on and on about them. I have a Viking and an Excalibur and still prefer the mags.

As far as the tourney's are concerned, I believe that Watcher is correct.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Viking. Its great for scenarios with a 70/4500 cause I never need to leave the field (if I have enough paint). However, it doesn't even compare to my mag in terms of weight and size. Also, i like the feedback you get in the trigger with a mech (compared to the mouse-click feel of an electro). Plus, being able to surpass the 10bps cap because its a mech could work to my advantage (especially if I play back). I may even pneu-mag it.

I checked the PSP and CFOA rules and it appears that there is no ROF cap for mechs. Looks like I'm good to go.

[punkncat]

Larry Motes, the producer of the CFOA, is a huge Mag fan. He is also very accessible, and would not mind you contacting him by email, or even in person at the event about the specifics of using one.

A few years ago I was allowed to use my ULT'ed mag on an adjustable tank. I did have to keep it under the 15BPS cap which was current at the time.

[jade_monkey07]

this is from mcarter brown on the same topic psp rules 2009

8.3.7.1. May not fire more than one shot per press and release of the trigger,and
8.3.7.2. May only fire a shot when the trigger is pressed, and
8.3.7.3. May not increase or decrease the force required to pull or hold the trigger to or at
any position without the use of tools.

With these two footnotes:

Quote:62 Once the marker is fired, the player must reduce the force applied to the trigger and allow the trigger to travel forward past the
firing point and then reapply the force on the trigger and bring the trigger back past the firing point before the marker may fire
again, i.e., no bounce.
63 No reactive triggers. The trigger force may change as the position of the trigger changes, but the force exerted against the trigger
finger at any given trigger position should not change, for example, as a result of the marker firing.

As long as your marker does not have a reactive effect (AutoMag RTs or Tippmanns with reactive triggers), it is not subject to the 95 milliseconds (10.5 bps) ROF cap.

[PanzerGen]

Cool, that would mean Pneumags are allowed since the reactive trigger is not a factor on those . I wonder if any teams will take advantage of that loop hole. You can walk a well made pneumag faster than 10.5 bps negating the cap. If this trend continues, mech markers might just see at least a small comeback.

[Watcher]

At least mech mags, I don't know any faster mech guns

[captian pinky]

k so does this mean that mechanical bounce mags are allowed not restricted by a hopper