Suggestion for AIRGUN DESIGNS.

[RSUAVE911]

I am not sure if this question has been posed, I do not remember it being asked but why hasn't airgun designs tried to put out a low pressure marker. I think it would be an excellent addition to the "new line" of products that AGD is putting out. This could boost people's feelings about the company by following through with NEW ideas from an OLD reliable company. If AGD is looking for new marketing ideas and ways to get their guns into more tournaments this is the way to do it. Just my two cents.

[Predater]

i dont now whare but it is talked about that a low presure mag slows doun the speed the bolt moves which taks it longer to move out and then back in. I dont have a problem with the presure i just want a bolt that is easy on paint.

By the way someware around hear they talk about the paintball only seaing 60 psi or so. I think that is pretty low presure.

[ThePatriot]

I also have seen on this board that Mags run at the lowest psi of any gun, but they need more to propell the ball, or something like that. Tom?

[RSUAVE911]

I am talking about a whole new marker, rather than a modification of the old automag. And I have never seen an lp mod done to a mag and I do not think it will work either.

[Predater]

Smart parts made a low pressur device. a smartbox i think. it slowed down the bolt. the gun wouldnt cycle as fast.

Why do they need a new valve? The retro is the fastest recharging valve and if you now what you are doing you wont break any more paint than you would with an angel or other gun.

They dont need to change the valve at all.

[RSUAVE911]

Ok first off, a new marker would help AGD marketing, not changing the retro valve would not. Also, in order to get the retro valve to work on low pressure, modifications would be needed in order for it to work.


"if you now what you are doing you wont break any more paint than you would with an angel or other gun."

I know what I am doing, low pressure markers do not only bring less breakage but as well as many other things.

1. Better gas efficiency - more shots per fill.
2. Better velocity stability - less variation from shot to shot.
3. Quieter operation.

[Predater]

The emag is new and awsome. There really are low presure mods out there but all they reallu do is caust a lot of mony and slow doun the speed of the gun. The mag realy has like 60 or 80 psi behind the ball. That is prety low pressure. I dont break any paint unless i out shoot my hopper. The lowpresure guns are light on paint not because of the presure but because there is less spead on the bolt when it hits the ball and they are closed bolt so the pressure doesnt effect the speed of the bolt.

For gass eficincy, get a tank that will last a gaim and then fill it. That isnt a problem.

My rt has a stable velocity. My first shot is at 255 and the rest in that string are at 283 to 285 wich is the field limit(285). I have tested the speed thing time and time again.

Buy the right berrel and your mag will be prety freaking quiet. my gun is just a hair louder than the ematrix's and angels at the field i play on.

[InfinatyBPS]

What AGD needs to do is find a way for the ball not to be totaly killed when there is a misfire, like a cocker sometimes just pinches the ball. Thats what AGD needs to do. Because there is so much force that pushes the bolt forward that there is no chance that the ball will get pinched. It's like a cocker, stick ur finger in the chamber, fire, it will only pinch it, depending on how low the pressure ur running at. But do this with a mag(please don't) you finger will be fired across the feild...

[RSUAVE911]

This wasn't the point though. People do not want to do all of this to have a low pressure gun. And I have never seen a mag run at 60-80 psi.


Again, people do not want to buy everything to accomodate the marker, but to have the marker accomodate their equipment such as a tank. Low pressure markers are proven more consistent than high pressure markers, whether your marker is consistent is not the point.

[Predater]

I agree. dont redo the gun just make a way to lighten up the blender effect when you chop paint.

[Micromag man!]

Actually, lower pressure=Less shots pur tank....

[Predater]

RS

go to deap blue. I think that is whare they talk about the mags only having 60 psi hitting the ball. That is true.

evryone buys products to acomidate there guns and style of play. If you buy a stock cocker you will put a grand in it to get it to fire how you want it to. just like with any other gun. The presure isnt what maks them consistant. how fast the gun can recharge is.

Mags really do only have like 60 psi hitting the ball. If you dont believe me do a serch.

[Rynoboy06]

I would like more efficiency, etc, as much as the next person, but I haven't broken a single ball in my last 3000 shots on my stock-internals Z-gripped RT pro. I'm also unsure about low-pressure markers having been "proved" more consistant than mags. I think most really expensive guns are both consistant and low-pressure, but I don't see that as necessarily linked. Look at the consistancy results for the 68 automag at www.pbstar.com. There's not much more you can ask for after 2-3 fps deviation. I also doubt that AGD will be leaving the automag format and making completely separate guns as well as mags.

[FooTemps]

HMMM... Didn't tom say something about a project AGD is working on? Something about updating or developing?

[bofh]

Originally posted by RSUAVE911
I know what I am doing, low pressure markers do not only bring less breakage but as well as many other things.

1. Better gas efficiency - more shots per fill.
2. Better velocity stability - less variation from shot to shot.
3. Quieter operation.

and

Originally posted by RSUAVE911
Low pressure markers are proven more consistent than high pressure markers, whether your marker is consistent is not the point.

Where is this "proven"? Who did it and how? What makes you think that Low pressure is better than High Pressure? And Low pressure where? What's a Low pressure anyway, 400psi? 200psi? 100psi? 50psi?

Low vs. High pressure is just like Closed vs Open bolt debate. And what you're spreading is nothing but FUD.