Fake Myth regs are Still around

[druid]

Originating forum and thread: http://milsimempire.com/viewtopic.ph...p=57816#p57816

Bulk of the original post from MilSig (of MilSig Industries) from one year ago:


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Originating forum and thread: http://milsimempire.com/viewtopic.ph...p=57816#p57816

Bulk of the original post from MilSig (of MilSig Industries) from one year ago:


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Hi All, consider what I'm about to show you a public safety warning. I also want to warn any paintball businesses to think twice before they order anything from this company. www.paintball-gun.cn

I'm going to show you an illustration of one of their products, and email excerpts exchanged between my purchasing agent in Taiwan, and the sales rep "Rosa" at this company.

Background Story...

For about 2 months straight, myself and my staff have received spam mail from a bunch of China based manufacturers. One of them being www.paintball-gun.cn (TMT Paintball). I don't usually read these things and I had them forwarded to my purchasing guy, Mr. Chen. We just happen to be looking for some regs as we're switching over to HPA bottles from CO2 at our rental fields. Chen shows me what looks to be a MYTH regulator and asked me if we should buy some if they were safe and usable. I then told Chen to ask for samples from TMT and he proceeded an email exchange with them.

After a few emails, Rosa told Chen that the price for the reg is $15 USD with a MOQ (Minimum Order Quantity) of 100 pcs. Rosa then offers to send a sample over, it arrived the next day via Fedex.

Chen opened the pkg and looked over the reg, everything seemed normal. He then attached it to a 13 CI alum bottle we had lying around. As it was a 4500 psi reg and a 3000psi bottle, he went down to the basement and proceeded to fill it with our 3000 psi scuba tank. He plugs in it, turns on the valve and NOTHING...air does not seem to be going in. He comes back upstairs just as I walked into the office, and he hands it over to me for a closer look.

So I took it apart and the very first thing I noticed was that the nipple wasn't a standard size. It wasn't a US sized fill nipple, nor a slightly smaller one used in Europe. It was some sort of metal that had a shiny surface plating. I then took it downstairs myself and proceeded to fill it, again nothing. I took it back upstairs and took it apart to see what the problem was.

As I broke it down, my jaw dropped. There were so few parts inside, and upon closer inspection, there were absolutely NO safety features on this reg. What is supposedly a burst disc is nothing by a piece of plated brass with a hole drilled through it. Inside of the reg, there was NOTHING that regulated the air pressure down (there's usually a series of discs and valves and "turns" the air, forcing the pressure down). The fill nipple was the same plated metal and the hole that was drilled thru it was very small. The spring valve had no slot drilled into it, so when we tried to fill it, it actually created a perfect seal inside.

The fact that this thing did NOT fill probably saved our lives. Had we achieved in filling the bottle and connected it to a marker, all 3000 psi would go right into the marker, probably blowing up the gun. We could have been seriously hurt or even killed if anything had exploded.

Chen and I were both dumbfounded once we opened this thing up, and upon realizing the danger we'd just avoided, Chen proceeded to contact Rosa to tell her our findings.

Here's the email exchange...Reply..

Dear Mr.Chen,

Thank you for your opinion.
We have export at least 1000pcs of this item to Other countries at before and nothing had happened. Therefore, we are very surprise when you tell me about it.
I will tell your opinion to my engineer to ask them about it.

best regards
sincerely
Rosa
April 8th


After this email exchange, I took this regulator down to my friend Mr. Sun for a closer inspection. Mr. Sun is one of the most knowledgeable Paintball experts in all of Taiwan, he owns the company that makes the mini invert, and the BT TM7. He also makes air products like regulators, fill stations, etc. He takes the reg apart and looks at it and just shakes his head. He says there's no way in hell that this regulator would work with the parts it had. He also finds it completely bogus that TMT can sell 1000 of these things without anyone getting hurt or dead...

These TMT people obviously do not have any clue how a regulator works, and what kind of danger they put someone in with the garbage they're selling. These people are not selling teddy bears, they're selling a device that is designed to control thousands of pounds of air pressure. Please do NOT support manufacturers like them by buying their products. Everything comes at a price for a reason. I hope to God that they really didn't sell 1000 of these things into Europe. If ANY of you see an online ad selling a cheap reg, stay FAR FAR AWAY!

The following is a quick illustration I made with pictures I took from my cell phone...not the best quality, but you see the actual reg they sent me.

The reason I'm reposting this is because apparently the company is still selling these regs but without the Myth logos on them.

Remember......if the deal is "too good to be true"........it probably is.



druid out.

[cockerpunk]

well fortunately there are many fail safes on a gun to prevent it from exploding. i really doubt thats even possible under normal conditions.

your macro line would blow
your macro fittings would blow
your reg would probably leak
your soliniod would blow

but thats no excuse. safety is a number 1 priority when it comes to compressed air.

unfortunatly this is DIRECTLY a byproduct of Gorilla Air and there attempts to make there already marginally safe reg even cheaper overseas and then importing it to the USA.

BUY AMERICAN MADE

REWARD COMPANIES THAT DONT DO THIS

and like TK always said - VOTE WITH YOUR MONEY

[Beemer]

well fortunately there are many fail safes on a gun to prevent it from exploding. i really doubt thats even possible under normal conditions.

your macro line would blow
your macro fittings would blow
your reg would probably leak
your soliniod would blow

but thats no excuse. safety is a number 1 priority when it comes to compressed air.

unfortunatly this is DIRECTLY a byproduct of Gorilla Air and there attempts to make there already marginally safe reg even cheaper overseas and then importing it to the USA.

BUY AMERICAN MADE

REWARD COMPANIES THAT DONT DO THIS

and like TK always said - VOTE WITH YOUR MONEY

Well tell me what the fail safes are. I dont know. I am an uninformed uneducated NEW player.

My line WONT blow cause I use RATED lines. My fitting wont blow cause it is rated. My Reg is intragated and rated at 3000psi and tested at 5000 plus so yes it probably wont FAIL, it WILL leak or vent.[which is a failure] That is with a full tank reg failure that will dump a full fill at 4500psi right to my gun. Of course that wont happen if the down stream disk blows. IF your reg has a down stream disk.

Whats a solinoid? Is that something on on e gun that meets or follows standards. Of course the LPR would go first wouldnt it?

Safety IS number one or so we say. Maybe folks should do SAFETY testing first and foremost[hint hint]

Buy American. I do, AGD Mag is all I own. I reward them with my $$ cause they really do put safety first. Their gun is tested and rated to 3000psi and that is UNDERRATED. If my tank reg fails I am happy to know I am safe with my Mag even if it takes a full 4500 psi hit. So what ARE the SAFETY features on gun and tank regs. What is the SAFEST gun, tank reg? I know these are questions that should go in my what are the questions thread. The point is no one cares no one asks and they dont tell.

Tk is right to vote with your $$s. The problem is the uninformed and uneducated are voting with thier $$

[Beemer]

Hey Druid will you fix the colors in the first post? Its a pain to read unless you highlite it.

[druid]

Hey Druid will you fix the colors in the first post? Its a pain to read unless you highlite it.

Sorry Beemer....this was a straight "Quote/Copy/Paste" from the originating forum. I have fixed the colorization at your request with my apologies.

To everyone else, this isn't designed to be a "gripe-fest" at GuerrillaAir. I have both Guerrilla models, Myth and FUKU and have NEVER had an issue with either one of them. The Myth I purchased when it first came out.....alone, no tank and in a plastic, clamshell blister box. I've NEVER had an issue with leaks, stripped threads (as was mentioned on Nation), shoot down, damage to the ORing gland, nothing. The model FUKU s their LE version of their Assault reg. It too is awesome and has performed flawlessly.

The point of this thread is to make the people aware that fakes are abound AND UNSAFE. To quibble and debate about "how/why" is irrelevant. The OP has the name of the company producing and selling these regs......which really aren't regs at all...since they have NONE of the "regulation" or safety components the Myth reg has. Please treat this thread as the public safety warning it's meant to be. Thanks.

[secretweaponevan]

Another reason to buy Ninja regs.

[JOESPUD27]

Well, it's a shame the Myth was copied by a poor, unsafe knockoff.

Danny @ GA won't produce/sell anything that isn't safe. Buyer beware should be the key here.

Make sure if you're buying a Myth that is it the real thing. GA stands by the products and their reputation of safety in the industry.

Jay

[cockerpunk]

Well, it's a shame the Myth was copied by a poor, unsafe knockoff.

Danny @ GA won't produce/sell anything that isn't safe. Buyer beware should be the key here.

Make sure if you're buying a Myth that is it the real thing. GA stands by the products and their reputation of safety in the industry.

Jay

ah but danny would go overseas and pepper a crap ton of OEM manufacturers to see which one was the cheapest and then buy those. then those OEMs that didn't cut it had to eat there losses and try to get rid of them.

its GAs design, its out there because of GA and there outsourcing and i lay the blame directly on GA for all this crap.

[georgeyew]

ah but danny would go overseas and pepper a crap ton of OEM manufacturers to see which one was the cheapest and then buy those. then those OEMs that didn't cut it had to eat there losses and try to get rid of them.

its GAs design, its out there because of GA and there outsourcing and i lay the blame directly on GA for all this crap.

Cocker, it's not really fair to blame GA for other people stealing their reg design and producing subpar products.

I doubt that Dan asked all of the manufacturers to produce the regs and THEN decided which one to buy from. The ones that didn't get selected should not have produced any regs in the first place.

[JOESPUD27]

It still doesn't leave GA without being tested. They don't sell unsafe products.

You lay blame on Danny, thats fine. He's got thick enough skin to take your comments.
He's a business man, looking for the cheapest way to get his SAFE products to his customers.

Jay

[Dend78]

I dont see a problem here i see a screaming RT here

thats great where is the made in china stamp

[cockerpunk]

I doubt that Dan asked all of the manufacturers to produce the regs and THEN decided which one to buy from. The ones that didn't get selected should not have produced any regs in the first place.

well thats what happened ...

[Lohman446]

well thats what happened ...

Are you certain, or is it a case of (and this is pretty standard) simple theft of intellectual propery in China and a poor attempt to copy it without the original holder having anything to do with it?

[Shane-O-Mac]

well thats what happened ...

Do you have proof of this or is it "I was told by someone reputable"??????

Just curious.

[3DSteve]

CP - It sounds like you should take this up with Mr. Colby personally at Living Legends(much like you did with Smart Parts last year). Find me and I'll be glad to introduce you. I'll be the guy in the purple Total Greif jersey with the big number 12. I think you'll find that Dan will have a much better explanation of the situation than you or I could be privy to.