AO opinion thread (pumps)

[Lohman446]

Ok AO

I am going to buy a pump to get back into paintball . Stock class. My short list:

Phantom

Buzzard

Grey Ghost

Opinions?

[behemoth]

have you ever played with any of thse guns?

Personally, i cant stand any of them, too light - i cant keep them on target to save my life.

this is why i like my Sniper platform. You can come up with some awesome efficiency, smoother pump stroke, and has the heft i like to stay steady...

I've owned a few phantoms and a buzzard - and they're nice - but they're no sniper in my hands...

[Spider-TW]

Maybe it was the weight, but I never really enjoyed my phantom. I didn't like the pump geometry compared to my old piranha LB. My superbolt pump I have now is comfortable, which is a "sniper" (pump-cocker-pump-sniper-clone thing). I can't say it's light at the moment, since it has a flatline tank on it.

I miss being able to shoot without holding the pump handle in scenarios, something that isn't a problem with a nelson valve; however, idk if that matters in a tournament.

[gunman_2000]

if price is an option, Phantom is your best choice probably. Cheaper, and easily modified with many options.

Had my Phantom for close to 4 years now I think (at least), and I'll never part with it. From what I read all the time is that all Nelson's such as these are pretty similar in performance, and the only REAL difference between a Phantom and a Carter, is the money you are investing into it. Not that thats a bad thing, I would love to be able to afford a nice carter one day.

But yes they are light, I would suggest you pick up one with a stock on it. Unless you are used to some form of pistol play and can go without having something to shoulder your gun with.

They will hold their value pretty well if you plan to sell, but it seems like there are alot of Phantoms in B/S forums these days. So you should be able to pick up a used one for a good price. Otherwise, you can't go wrong ordering direct from Mike at CCI.

Definitely try one for a game if you can, jumping into stock class can be a steep learning curve. But it is rewarding, and pretty inexpensive compared to owning a fast shooting semi.

[DevilMan]

I am also one of those who can't shoot a light marker like that. I have to have a stock on it to get anywhere close to accurate.

I like also not having to hold the pump handle forward, but then I don't sweat 4FPS for not doing it.

My phantom I had and others I have shot have a strong pump because of the way they are made. The carters and such.... same thing. I guess it depends on what you are used to.

I know that having a pump handle AROUND the barrel and having one UNDER the barrel makes a difference in how you shoot and like them as well...

I would go to a field and try to borrow a couple of peoples for a game or two to see if you can even tell the difference. I would say get a pump cocker personally. More mods I think could be done to it to tweak it to your liking.

Good luck, and welcome back.

DM

[cockerpunk]

phantom for sure. esp compared to the carter and the GG.

[Lohman446]

I owned a phantom once. Played with it a handful of times at tournaments when I was bored with how the day was going. Took it to one PSP event too until my team realized that it was Chicago and I couldn't carry my pistol. They voted to cause me severe bodily harm if I used it.

I can't seem to find me a VSC sniper though . Are they out there?

[gunman_2000]

I think most VSC snipers are basically custom builds. At least the ones I have seen are. Wevo used to sell modified Phantom feed breeches that were tapped for an extra screw. All you had to do is modify your sniper body to take off the feedneck and tap a hole in the appropriate spot. You can probably find more info on them at SCP or the Phog.

CCM's new T2 sniper was at one point supposed to have an option for a SC breech, but it seems Bill (i think its bill) doesnt want to really do it now. I'm sure the MCB crowd will talk him into a limited run at some point though.

[behemoth]

I can't seem to find me a VSC sniper though . Are they out there?

Yes, you can adapt a phantom feed, or a palmers stickfeed onto most cocker bodies, and/or find one thats meant for it (ss-25)

I used to REFUSE to play with anything but a stickfeed on my pump.

Now i'm lazy, and use a 50rnd hopper, ha...

[gunman_2000]

I only use my 50 round hopper/sniper when I'm too lazy to reload during games...or I know that I can do the game in 50 rounds

oh crap, i have to get my reg fixed. I just remembered.

[Zygote]

My buzzard pumped and shot really smoothly, whether I pulled the trigger or not. Granted, I got it second hand so it wasn't as tuned as it could have been but it came with a host of problems and shortcomings. It autotriggered whether I wanted it to or not until I found out the problem was the o-ring at the tip of the bolt and replaced it with a larger one. The barrel was too large a bore to shoot anything but the largest paint so I sent it to Palmers for wedgits. Even though it was cocker threaded it would only fit Dye cocker barrels. A gap kept appearing between the snub and valve body, which also causes uncontrollable autotriggering. It cost so damn much I was worried about scratching it. In the end I got sick of messing with it and went back to my phantom. It costs less than half what a buzzard costs but its so much more reliable.

[Toll]

Chalk another up for a sniper style marker

I just like the feel over phantoms/etc. I suppose it really depends how you want to run your set up.

Right now I use This and while it has its flaws I like it because its for the most part what I'm used to. I find the pump under the barrel feels much better when I am shooting

[Lohman446]

Ok.. about the Sniper pumps

Does anyone make a pump thats not round and ribbed?

[gunman_2000]

If you can find the old Vendetta Deluxe kits, they are square. CCM is just coming out with a new pump handle that is more like their new T2 pump, but only in black. Sanchez Machine makes a pump handle that is boxy and square looking.

[behemoth]

In all reality, if you found a cheap 'cocker, and get a pump kit for it, you're in the right area.

There is a guy on MCB called Jcurt. For a very reasonable price he'll halfblock it, with sled, bolt, dual pump arms, and dual guide rods. This stabilizes the pump handle on 4 rods, and eliminates any annoynig 'twisting' on handle.

His handles are typically round, but i'm sure if you ask (since he makes them from scratch) he can make you whatever you want.