Gruntbull messed up my anno AND won't fix it

[Frizzle Fry]

1: CUSTOM WILL NEVER FIT YOUR TIMETABLE!!!!

GBA quotes you 15-20 day turnaround from the date of arrival, unless you pay even MORE for expedited service. I am currently waiting for my marker (which should have been done weeks ago) to be started... When create a contract with them, that 15-20 days is a part of it; a part they don't live up to.

Besides, acid washes aren't "custom"; they're common and relatively easy. THEY QUOTE 15-20 DAYS!

http://automags.org/forums/showthrea...99#post2646999

2: he actually DID do what you asked him... he gave you a blue acid wash that is "similar" to the picture.... your word was SIMILAR not EXACT or AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE

It's not even close to the picture. It looks mostly black with some very very dark blue veins that are barely visible... The only thing they share in common is that there is some blue and some black on each; a child could do that.

3: it looks pretty damn nice...

It looks like crap compared to the example he gave them, honestly. It would almost look bettert in a solid color; that's how messed up that wash is.

4: i think you need better pictures to make it clearer... because 1 the first pic looks all black where as the second one has blue... dont people take good pics these days? (reference to 2 posts above )

I think you missed the point; those are good pictures, the anno job is messed up.

[i8pie2day]

ok well you legitimately shot down 1... maybe 2 of my arguments.... you got 3 semi-right... yes it looks like crap compared to the first one... but again HE DIDNT SAY HE WANTED A MATCH!!!! he said he wanted a blue/black acid wash... (which the original picture wasnt really an acid wash... more of stripe-like things...) and he got a blue/black acid wash... was it what he pictured? NO... was it what he described... in a sense yes....


AND WAS THAT ACID WASH FACTORY? no? THEN ITS CUSTOM.... just cause its fairly easy and common doesnt mean its not custom....

and i really think it looks good, and those pics arent in great lighting....

[Ando]

ok well you legitimately shot down 1... maybe 2 of my arguments.... you got 3 semi-right... yes it looks like crap compared to the first one... but again HE DIDNT SAY HE WANTED A MATCH!!!! he said he wanted a blue/black acid wash... (which the original picture wasnt really an acid wash... more of stripe-like things...) and he got a blue/black acid wash... was it what he pictured? NO... was it what he described... in a sense yes....


AND WAS THAT ACID WASH FACTORY? no? THEN ITS CUSTOM.... just cause its fairly easy and common doesnt mean its not custom....

and i really think it looks good, and those pics arent in great lighting....

WTF Open your eyes and look at the PICTURE again. The original pic is a ACID WASH!!!
...And I'm willing to bet everyone else will back me up on that. :rofl:

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck then it must be a cow right

in a sense yes.

Contradict yourself much???

Seriously. I got some ocean front property in Kansas I would love to sale you.

Edit:

AND WAS THAT ACID WASH FACTORY? no? THEN ITS CUSTOM.... just cause its fairly easy and common doesn't mean its not custom....

Unless they made some kind of acid wash rubber stamp. Any kind of acid wash, even if it came out of a factory or not is a custom job. You show me 2 acid washes are 100% identical and I'll eat my words. What the guy got was streaks not a acid wash and the ano guy would have told him he was off is rocker if he said he wanted it to look just like the gun in the pic. All he wanted was it to come close and Gruntbull failed miserably....

But seriously...About that property, it's still up for sale

[skife]

1st.
acid wash IS custom, it didn't come from the factory that way, so it IS custom.

2nd.
with custom work, there is a LONG turnaround time, espically with small shops, this is general knowledge in the paintball community. even with a quoted turnaround time, nothing is ever set in stone with time.

3rd. the guy took a crappy pic of his anno with a bad camera. you all should want to see a better pic of the maker before you go and make judgement.


both pictures the guy took we're in the shade and one of them was blurry.
where as the stock picture he used wasn't in the shade or blurry.

so tell me where you make judgement saying they don't look anything alike if the guy cant even take a proper picture.

[i8pie2day]

WTF Open your eyes and look at the PICTURE again. The original pic is a ACID WASH!!!
...And I'm willing to bet everyone else will back me up on that. :rofl:

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck then it must be a cow right


Contradict yourself much???

Seriously. I got some ocean front property in Kansas I would love to sale you.

Edit:

Unless they made some kind of acid wash rubber stamp. Any kind of acid wash, even if it came out of a factory or not is a custom job. You show me 2 acid washes are 100% identical and I'll eat my words. What the guy got was streaks not a acid wash and the ano guy would have told him he was off is rocker if he said he wanted it to look just like the gun in the pic. All he wanted was it to come close and Gruntbull failed miserably....

But seriously...About that property, it's still up for sale

ok seriously i dont know if your arguing for me or against me.... and how much for that property... i am looking for some ocean front... theres not enough of it in hawaii....

1st bold: YES HOW DID YOU KNOW.... but since i know the statement is "... it must be a duck" then if you put that im going to say not really.... you forgot about CGI... QUACK QUACK

2nd bold: no im not contradicting myself but i could have said it better... i meant that he said he wanted a blue acid wash. he got one. was it what was in the picture (also that would be the picture in his mind). NO. was it what he said he wanted ( a blue/black acid wash). YES...

[JesseB]

Looks like crap.... Shouldn't someone at Gruntbull QC their work before it goes out the door? Like look at the pic and look at the gun then say oh wait that looks nothing similar lets redo it and call the guy.

[georgeyew]

Shouldn't someone at Gruntbull QC their work before it goes out the door? Like look at the pic and look at the gun then say oh wait that looks nothing similar lets redo it and call the guy.

AMEN to that!!

[skife]

Looks like crap....

so uhh, how can you tell with the CRAPPY pictures?

[maniacmechanic]

Just because it's Custom blah , blah , blah , blah

Now i'm just a stupid mechanic but , IIRC a "acid wash " anno when done randomly is very easy as compared to a specificly patterened acid wash , and is done directly after the first layer of anno , so it only takes a little more time , prep time is the same , finish time is the same , I bet a guy that does anno day in day out could probley do the acid wash in less than an hour ( add that to basic 1 color anno time ) , so the time for "custom" work don't fit IMO , if it was a 3 or 4 color digital , than work time goes up

Anno work is tricky , you can do the same thing twice & get different results
The one custom annoed gun I have , when I gave it to the annoer I said " tiger stripe " what I envisioned & what I got back were two different things , It looks great , more than I expected

As for his place in line for the 2nd time around ( don't matter at this point ) I think he should go to the front of the line Or close to it

I agree with others , the pic's the OP put up are no good , If he is going to compare the 2 jobs he needs Quality pic's

I think the big problem is the way gruntbull is handling the "problem" , it seems to me like they really don't care if they get the paintball work or not

MY 2 cents

[georgeyew]

I think the big problem is the way gruntbull is handling the "problem" , it seems to me like they really don't care if they get the paintball work or not

Well, he has already been paid. He's not losing anything....except his reputation.

I think that service-based businesses should be like restaurants: eat first, make sure the food/service is good, then pay.

[i8pie2day]

so would you walk into a book store, read the whole book then decide if you want to buy it or not? it doesnt exactly work that way....

[Beemer]

Here is the question for all you folks that posted in this thread. If you had something that needed Ano would you consider or send the work to GBA?
I wouldnt and I wouldnt recommend them to anyone who was looking for an Ano.

See this link on first page. http://automags.org/forums/showthrea...99#post2646999 Not to mention others.

Someone else[Bunny ] made a Thread on this but it didnt seem to help.

Go make a Thread about how unhappy you are with AGD on a sale. Or any other GOOD PB Company OR DEALER that cares. Oh wait you wont have to. AS soon as you mail or call they will do what it takes to make you happy.

Guess I got spoiled for old school CS. All I know is if you ever have a problem with AGD and feel the need to make a thread about it, never mind, it gets made right before that happens.

[Frizzle Fry]

Lots of proof for the brownnosers and fanboys.

What they're doing to me:
http://automags.org/forums/showthrea...99#post2646999

What they're doing to Tip98ChopShop:

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=3146951

What they're doing to Jay Slay:

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=3140873

What they did to WarWitch:

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2608915

What they did to Bunny5:

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=237472

What they did to Bunny5 the 2nd time they tried...

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=237800

What they did to Bunny5s trigger:

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=237472&page=1&pp=30

What they did to Lasrsktr:

http://www.automags.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2586027&postcount=17

What they did to Strobe:

http://www2.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2602348

What they did to FiXel:
http://automags.org/forums/showpost....2&postcount=13


The fact is that fades and acid washes are simple... Tons of acid washed phantoms come out of the factories every year, with similar patterns and quality work done. Almost every major high or low end marker is available in a fade; sometimes up to 5 colors! They don't always look "the same" but GBA has proved that they can't do "close" or even "similar".

IF YOU CAN'T PERFORM A SERVICE, DON'T ADVERTISE IT!

ESPECIALLY DON'T GIVE QUOTES AND ACCEPT ITEMS + $ FOR SERVICES YOU CAN'T PERFORM!

You're right; any non-stock ano is custom... So's a spray paint can. That said, fades and washes are not "Custom Anodizing" in the sense that they are difficult, uncommon, or expensive. Sponge patterns, 3+ color washes, 3+ color fades and lazer ingraving are what most companies refer to as "custom" or "special" work. "Custom Anodizing" is asking an anodizer for something that's not on their pricing list or doesn't get done often. Asking for an engraving, an image, a tattoo, a complex pattern, etc. That's what "Custom" is in the world of anodizing.

You're right; his "marker" is now "custom" because it has a non-factory ano job. It's "ano job" is not "custom" because it would have been a piece of cake for 125 Customs, Acid Rain PB, A+ Anodizing, ODD Paintball or PB4L who could have banged out in two weeks looking GOOD.

To those with brown noses*; try using Google (or Bing?) as it comes up with some VERY interesting complaints and horror stories including my own and some from people in this thread and on this site. Oddly enough Google has links to feedback threads on PBN with quotes like "he screwed up" and "never recieved" and "no refund" but for some reason those feedback posts are missing.... They must be cached from before GBA and their fanboys bullied the moderators into deleting them and banning the wronged and disgruntled "respected, paying customers". THAT HAS HAPPENED; I've been in touch with 3.

Here's some "good PBN moderating" done to Bunny5s thread over there:

http://www.automags.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2586199&postcount=45

Or an example of how these things get swept under the carpet:

http://www.automags.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2586254&postcount=61

Why "Todd 'n Tedd" have been messing up, apparently:

http://www.automags.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2586303&postcount=72

SO WHAT if the original poster to "bad pictures". Maybe he can't afford a good camera or maybe he didn't have an ideal setting... The pictures are good enough to show that his marker is not even close to the pattern and style he requested. Nitpicking over whether he said "like this pattern" or "like this style" in the OP doesn't mean anything! None of you GBA fanboys have seen the order sheet; none of you have seen the emails between them discussing pricing and details. What you have seen is a marker with a crappy ano that was supposed to be a good ano and cost a lot of money. You've also seen a company with crappy customer service who doesn't live up to the quality or speed of turn-around that they promise. What you've seen is TONS of threads about screwups and 'mulligans' and more screwups.


*Actually, you wanted yellow, but they matched it "the best they could" for $200

[georgeyew]

so would you walk into a book store, read the whole book then decide if you want to buy it or not? it doesnt exactly work that way....

You could do that at Borders if you want to spend 10 hours reading. They won't stop you. But I said service-based. A book store is merchandise-based.

Wait, when you paint a car, you pay when the car is done and you've inspected it. Why not a marker?

[bunny5]

Frizzle: Just to make it clear, I deleted my pbnation thread to not stir up more crap about gruntbull. I was taking into consideration that they would be able to help fix the issue so I gave them a chance before I "tarnished" their name. lol

Other then that, i agree with what you say...