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  • minimag03
    WVU paintball #19
    • Dec 2003
    • 2214

    #1

    But why?

    I'm curious as to why people add pneumatic to their Automag frames. It seems like an expensive process of making something simple a lot more complex.

    Some might say to improve ROF. I have never thought that my Minimag shot very slow, much less the RTs I have owned. If an RT (ULT if you prefer) is not fast enough for you, then why are you not just shooting an electro? The electronic maker would be faster, cheaper, more reliable, and more efficient.

    I might understand the "cool" factor of doing it. However most "cool" project markers that I build ever see much if any playing time.

    What do you guys think? I'm not trying to bash, just inquire.
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  • TeamBob
    SKYLINE PAINTBALL
    • Sep 2008
    • 976

    #2
    The electronic maker would be faster, cheaper, more reliable, and more efficient."

    But then your just like every other cookie-cutter player out there.

    And there is just something about shooting somebody, with a $1,000+ gun, with my 15+ year old gun, thats worth a third what thiers is, by something they have never heard of.

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    • drewkroeker
      Registered User
      • May 2008
      • 209

      #3
      I can think of a couple of reasons people make pneumags. One is that pneumatics allow you to utilize the valve to its full potential (or at least much more than just a normal RT). Another reason is you have a high rate of fire with no batteries. The trigger is as light as some electros but doesn't have a click.

      To each their own; I just think pneumags (and any other type of mag) are just plain awesome!

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      • minimag03
        WVU paintball #19
        • Dec 2003
        • 2214

        #4
        Originally posted by drewkroeker
        I can think of a couple of reasons people make pneumags. One is that pneumatics allow you to utilize the valve to its full potential (or at least much more than just a normal RT). Another reason is you have a high rate of fire with no batteries. The trigger is as light as some electros but doesn't have a click.

        To each their own; I just think pneumags (and any other type of mag) are just plain awesome!
        The valve is certainly used more, but nowhere near its full potential. There there are more efficient engines to propel a paintball than an xvalve. And you still need 9v for your hopper, so who battery thing has never made sense, ever.

        Originally posted by TeamBob
        The electronic maker would be faster, cheaper, more reliable, and more efficient."

        But then your just like every other cookie-cutter player out there.

        And there is just something about shooting somebody, with a $1,000+ gun, with my 15+ year old gun, thats worth a third what thiers is, by something they have never heard of.
        Or you could get an equally unique electro, like a Viking. They are probably a bit heavier, but worth it.
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        • ZapTheMad
          The local MADMAN!
          • Jan 2004
          • 709

          #5
          I do it for:

          1 - Super light trigger without needing batteries or micro switches. Add Q-loader for maximum effect.

          2 - Custom made stuff is way cool! (if you're into that kind of thing)

          3 - I love to tinker!

          4 - Removes trigger bounce completely. Making it legal on any field. Not that trigger bounce isn't fun when allowed

          5 - The giddy feeling inside when you get it put together and it works amazing! I think this is the biggest draw for the DIY'ers.

          6 - Because I can!




          <--- WORLDS FASTEST MARKER!

          Watch me OUTSHOOT a Victory Board HALO

          No Patent Infringements needed :shooting:

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          • cougar20th
            Registered User

            • Sep 2002
            • 2330

            #6
            After playing around with one at the NH game. The reasons I see to make a pnuemag are.
            1. I like the automag platform. Its comfortable for me.
            2. No batteries. I dont know how many times Ive had batteries go dead.
            3. Automag reliablity. Pretty much a set & forget frame once it is setup correctly.
            4. Again no batteries. I like being able to grab a gun & go play on a moments notice without checking stuff.
            Originally posted by dano_____
            I keep forgetting to not feed my mags after midnight so they seem to multiply regularly.

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            • punkncat
              One foot less
              • Feb 2003
              • 5841

              #7
              I tend to agree that it took something simple and added more things to break...however to each his own. I think it is pretty darn cool, even if it is not my cup of tea, that people can do the mod and make it work so well.

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              • vf-xx
                Henchmen Inc.
                • Nov 2001
                • 3311

                #8
                I like to tinker.

                and I like warp bodies.

                and I'm too cheap to get a custom body made for another marker to run a warp.
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                • Toll
                  Registered User
                  • Jun 2005
                  • 758

                  #9
                  Because I can.



                  Really, thats kind of my catch-all answer.

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                  • Watcher
                    aka CavDragoneb12
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 867

                    #10
                    Originally posted by TeamBob
                    The electronic maker would be faster, cheaper, more reliable, and more efficient."

                    But then your just like every other cookie-cutter player out there.

                    And there is just something about shooting somebody, with a $1,000+ gun, with my 15+ year old gun, thats worth a third what thiers is, by something they have never heard of.
                    Seconded.

                    Even though the ULT is walkable, the Pneus make it electro light!

                    Brawndo, the thirst mutilator! It's got Electro-Lites!


                    Sry



                    And with the whole "hoppers have batteries too" arguement, the hopper doesn't fail-to-function without batteries... maybe a halo would (neverminding the rip-drive) but any standard agitator loader like a revy, Rico, egg, Extreme Rage, Fasta, Pinokio, and many more will still feed regardless.



                    By that logic, why would anyone use the AGD Flatline Air if they are going to still use it at 850psi output? I know why, because it is wicked cool!

                    Why would anyone use a stock-class gun with an autotrigger?
                    Why would you use a stock-class gun?
                    Why would you mod a Halo to use 9Vs even though you don't get a speed increase?

                    Why? Because you can, and in this country (unlike Japan) it is cool to be different!

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                    • PanzerGen
                      Registered User
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 144

                      #11
                      As for making a simple marker more complex, I have actually found that my pneumag requires less tuning now than before mostly because of the addition of the lpr which reduces my trigger tuning to turning a knob on a palmer microrock vs ULT and tank output tuning. The only added maintenance is replacing the lpr hose (I have had the hose blow out on me a few times). I can actually walk the trigger now without making to get into my nitroduck ireg and change pistons around before I fill it up.

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                      • snoopay700
                        Serious About Men

                        • Jan 2006
                        • 3071

                        #12
                        Originally posted by minimag03
                        I'm curious as to why people add pneumatic to their Automag frames. It seems like an expensive process of making something simple a lot more complex.

                        Some might say to improve ROF. I have never thought that my Minimag shot very slow, much less the RTs I have owned. If an RT (ULT if you prefer) is not fast enough for you, then why are you not just shooting an electro? The electronic maker would be faster, cheaper, more reliable, and more efficient.

                        I might understand the "cool" factor of doing it. However most "cool" project markers that I build ever see much if any playing time.

                        What do you guys think? I'm not trying to bash, just inquire.
                        I did it because i had 60 bucks to spend to upgrade my classic RT, i did not have 300 for a mini.

                        And it's not that complex, plus i love to tinker, although i gett horrid efficiency now, something like 5-700 per fill.
                        Il n'y a point de sots si incommodes que ceux qui ont de l'esprit.

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                        • BiNumber3
                          Dazed and Confused

                          • Feb 2008
                          • 1038

                          #13
                          i like building it up and tuning it to perfection, kinda like buyin an old car to fix up n drive (still want my 76 corvette)

                          sure u can buy electros that shoot faster, feel lighter, and sometimes end up bein cheaper, but they also break easily, look like the one yer neighbor has, and unless u buy the super "car" noone's really gonna notice u:P

                          (girls go for the guys with the classic or the super)

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                          • snoopay700
                            Serious About Men

                            • Jan 2006
                            • 3071

                            #14
                            Originally posted by BiNumber3
                            i like building it up and tuning it to perfection, kinda like buyin an old car to fix up n drive (still want my 76 corvette)

                            sure u can buy electros that shoot faster, feel lighter, and sometimes end up bein cheaper, but they also break easily, look like the one yer neighbor has, and unless u buy the super "car" noone's really gonna notice u:P

                            (girls go for the guys with the classic or the super)
                            That analogy doesn't really work on. Most electrics don't break down from electrical problems anymore, i very rarely see people with electrics having problems with their guns, and most of the problems are an easy fix unless it's with the electronics.

                            The main problem with electronic guns is the price.
                            Il n'y a point de sots si incommodes que ceux qui ont de l'esprit.

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                            • BiNumber3
                              Dazed and Confused

                              • Feb 2008
                              • 1038

                              #15
                              hmm, maybe ive had bad luck on some then, eyes have failed right out of the box on an odyssey, solenoid didnt work on a shocker i got off ebay, n thats actually about all for me, stopped buyin elctros after those 2 n a couple others lol

                              n u can get sub-200 electros, but u prolly get what u pay for for those ones

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