I just don't know

[wetwrks]

Is this police stupidity or just out right lies?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/executive-war-games-fuel-illegal-guns-market-735195.html

[Shirow]

Are those my only two options for response?

[dark blade]

whats one of those times where you need to think to yourself "possibility vs probability"

Im sure its completely possible to convert a paintball marker to a lethal weapon. In fact, i know it is. If you take a dart and put it in a paintball marker barrel... it will fire quite fast.

Add this to the fact that you can essentially take a mechanical marker and raise the air pressure inside it to dangerous levels to get higher velocities and its definitely possible.

However... is it probable? HELL NO. Why would the "murderer" spend all that trouble, time, and money to buy something ineffective at best when he could spend a bit more and illegally obtain a real firearm

Possibility vs probability... possible sure, probable no

I think they are lies by the government to try and bring down the best recreational activity in the world. (already happening in germany)

[zondo]

would an airsoft gun even be able to handle the pressure generated from firing a cartridge? I can't see it being able to...

[dark blade]

no, i highly doubt it can considering an average bullet has over 2300N of force.

In order to have 2300N of force forward there must be 2300N of force behind it. This means that in all directions you have 2300N of force (sort of evenly spread out) and trying to be held in by plastic, thin aluminum, and cheap screws...

There is no way something not meant for firing a cartridge could withstand the force of the shot. However... they can use other means to make it lethal other than rigging the paintball guns to shoot bullets

[Shirow]

Other than the first sentence mentioning paintball, I read it as being more about airsoft than paintball (not that most of the physical issues don't still stand.)

Bear in mind it is also much harder to get a (real) gun in the UK than it is in the USA so there is probably more incentive to be creative.

That being said, whether this is true or not, I don't know.

[dark blade]

excuse the double post but just in case someone doesnt know how much 2300N of force is... its the same as taking 1475Kg and putting it on the airsoft gun or paintball marker.

or for you non metric system users that is the same as 3245lbs and resting it on a paintball gun or airsoft gun.

I KNOW FOR A FACT that no airsoft or paintball gun can withstand that much weight.

[wetwrks]

The air weapons are converted by drilling out the gas cartridge, which is used like a sleeve for the live round of ammunition to fit into.

rrriiiggghhhttt.

[georgeyew]

Check out the date of the article. It was from 6 years ago.

[wetwrks]

Check out the date of the article. It was from 6 years ago.

Doesn't matter the date. Either they know what they are saying is false or they are just making this garbage up.

[rx2]

My guess is that it is largely speculative. They don't even cite direct data. The article admits that it is merely surmised that the increase in firearms-related incidents is related to conversions. Never once does it show that there is actual data demonstrating that people are successfully doing these conversions en masse, and then using them for crimes. The only part that seems to have foundation is where it mentions that people are drilling out the blocks from starter/blank pistols. That is very easy to do, and since many are based on the .22 cartridge, they aren't dealing with great forces. So, you can get at least one good use out of them. As far as paintball, or airsoft, there are too many things that would need to be changed. You would probably be better of starting from scratch, than trying to shoehorn a usable barrel, and firing assembly into an airsoft or painball-specific platform.

The UK government is one of the more paranoid bodies when it comes to firearms. I suspect that they are looking for a scapegoat as to explain why their heavy-handed restrictions are failing. Either that, or their paranoia is leading them to grasp for any reason to add paintball and airsoft to the ban list.

[buzzboy]

I KNOW FOR A FACT that no airsoft or paintball gun can withstand that much weight.

What about an AGD trigger frame? Lol. A trigger with no gun though does pose a problem. Effin bureaucracy.

[Toll]

UK.


That is all.

[Raven001]

I have seen modified starter pistols that are capable of shooting 22 shorts. I would not vouch for the barrel as who knows what kind of metal it was made of. One could always use a sleeve of some material, I mean we used to make zip guns out of car antenas back in the early 60's and no one lost hand or an eye. Course I wouldn't try that now that I know better...