Automag at Tournament

[Nick28]

Well I played in a local tournament yesterday. I had my ule mag with x-valve and I couldn't use it because the tournament was capped at 10 bps. I lucked out in a way I was able to use the gun of one of the workers at the store. A Bob Long branded Russian Legion, it shot like a dream. Anyway I've been racking my brain all day of how I could use my mag next time. Any ideas?

I was thinking about just buying a classic valve to throw in there for these occasions. Has anyone put an ule trigger pull kit in a classic valve? THe airgun web site says not to but the lone review says that it work great? What's the deal?

I have a lot of bounce in my x-valve. If I take out all the shims with it get rid of it? I'm still intrigued my the upgraded classic valve idea.

[maniacmechanic]

you should be able to remove your bounce by removing shims , how many are you running ??

[BiNumber3]

Apparently it's too much trouble to try to get the ult to work with the classic valve according to most people who have tried it.

A classic with an RT on/off might work, tho the pull will be stiffer than yer ult. You might try goin the way of pneumags, as those remove the reactivity of the valves

[Nick28]

Wow

I just had a revelation. The shims in the bolt prevent leaks. The shims in the on/off deal with bounce. ??? Anyway. It came factory installed with what seems like 8 shims. Zero wont fire the gun so I'm just going to work my way up.

[punkncat]

I used an adjustable tank on mine and was able to regulate it reliably enough to use it in a 15BPS tourney. The producer of that series was also a HUGE Mag fan.

Only thing I can think of is to find a Hyperframe and set it where you want.

[Ando]

Ya...What cat said. Keep the shims in the ULT and get an adj tank. At least you'll have the light trigger pull to walk it.

[kwood]

im still confused a little
were you not aloud to use it because of the bouce or just because mags can shoot fast as mechs?
if it is because of the bounce
get a pneumag set up going and have a blazing mech (if they allow it of course)

[Nick28]

Both

The bounce is what kept them away from letting me use it. If it was one pull one shot I would have been fine.

So it looks like I have two options. Pneumag or Hyperframe? If I got the Hyperframe I would probably just build up a classic mag. I would love to have a classic mag ripping at that speed.

[kwood]

im slowly putting together a pneumag and hoping to get into a local touny with another AO'er or two and be an all mag team
one touney with pneumags
another with emags
another with...whichever...

[fishmishin]

If you build the pneumag it is still technically a mech, and then you should be able to go as fast as you want to. At least that's how our local tourney is. I ran into the same problem at a tourney this year, I was a little upset that you could use software to hit 10.5bps(ramping), but I couldn't use my X, bouncing around 8-9bps. Doesn't make much since to me, but that is the way it is. The rules do state though if it is a mech the rate of fire is uncapped. So I have a winter project in mind, and I will show up with a mag again next year at the first tournament with a little surprise for them. I can wait to hear em cry about it !!!

[Ando]

Seriously bro...I would go the pneu route but it would be much cheaper just getting a adj reg. Use air pressure to manipulate the bounce and best of all, no batteries to screw you over in the middle of a tourny.

[Shirow]

Honestly this just blows my mind. When I quit playing competitive speedball (~3 years ago) I was about ready to shelve my mag because I couldn't keep up with the ridiculous paint ropes. Now, mags are banned from tourneys for being too fast.

Crazy times I tell ya!

[wimag]

odd...just played a tourney this weekend and everyone on the team has mags, x-valves, retro valves, some with ULT's.
Modified PSP rules and not one word was said about our gear, and all the refs are PSP certified.
I find it hard to believe this actually happens

[Jaron]

Sounds like the tourney staff may have been either prejudiced against Mags or just ignorant about how bouncy X-Valves can and can't be. What kind of tank and reg were you using? With my standard Dye and Crossfire regs at 800 psi, I doubt I could bounce my trigger more than 8 bps. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the heavy bounce doesn't come unless you're dumping 1000 psi or more into the valve, right?

[skipdogg]

yeah, very confused. sounds like that field is no good. A xvalve mag is tourney legal. Should not have been a problem. Perhaps did you shoot it with bouce in front of them? Or tell them about it? 99.99% of the time a stock mag with X valve is legal regardless of a ball cap, its Mech 100%. mech's are not regulated by a cap. Sounds like this field was the .01% of uneducated/confused. Never have heard of this before. BTW I am a PSP certified ref. I guarentee you, you can play any PSP national event in any division with your gun.