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  • Lohman446
    Useful posts: 7
    • Jun 2003
    • 9315

    #1

    Which company

    It seemed pretty easy to jump on SP as being the company that failed, and it has some logic behind it (DLX for instance).

    However there are other major companies out there that this would not be surprising and one could make a compelling argument:

    Dye: massive investment requires return on investment to keep afloat. Paintball has slowed down

    Empire: Same as Dye but with less of a following it seems

    WDP: When was the last great Angel? - yeh, just pretend this was right in the poll

    PMI: Evil / PMI. Big enough distributor but has been fading lately.

    Vote once - defend your logic if you chose.
    59
    SP - the Gardner brothers are done
    0%
    35
    DYE - too big to deal with the decline
    0%
    3
    Empire - following the lead of ancient Empires
    0%
    2
    WDP - they still make markers?
    0%
    9
    PMI - Where did they go anyways?
    0%
    4
    Other
    0%
    6
    "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess
  • georgeyew
    Registered User
    • Jan 2007
    • 704

    #2
    Empire/Evil/PMI are all part of KEE. They can't go out of business independently.

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    • punkncat
      One foot less
      • Feb 2003
      • 5841

      #3
      I doubt it's APS.

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      • going_home
        Hebrews 13:8

        • Dec 2004
        • 8343

        #4
        A rock just came through Mr. C's living room window with a note attached to the offending brick. Word rapidly spreading is that Smart Parts ...

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        • StygShore
          Waterford, MI

          • Aug 2002
          • 2854

          #5
          WGP never made an Angel- and they ave been gone for a while pretty much since Bud sold to K2/JT

          Empire/PMI/Evil are all part of Kee - dont see them going under anytime soon

          I think it is going to be Spec Ops or PTP ( do they qualify as a manufacturer major anymore )

          Styg
          Sometimes It's Good to be EVIL

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          • Frizzle Fry
            AO Micromag Guy
            • Mar 2009
            • 3280

            #6
            Originally posted by StygShore
            WGP never made an Angel- and they ave been gone for a while pretty much since Bud sold to K2/JT

            Empire/PMI/Evil are all part of Kee - dont see them going under anytime soon

            I think it is going to be Spec Ops or PTP ( do they qualify as a manufacturer major anymore )

            Styg
            SpecOps isn't that old and PTP isn't that big... Not gonna happen.

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            • Lohman446
              Useful posts: 7
              • Jun 2003
              • 9315

              #7
              Originally posted by StygShore
              WGP never made an Angel- and they ave been gone for a while pretty much since Bud sold to K2/JT

              Empire/PMI/Evil are all part of Kee - dont see them going under anytime soon

              I think it is going to be Spec Ops or PTP ( do they qualify as a manufacturer major anymore )

              Styg
              Oops. that was meant to be WDP
              "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess

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              • Beemer
                I could tell you but then.

                • Oct 2003
                • 3250

                #8
                Originally posted by Lohman446
                Oops. that was meant to be WDP
                Fixed..

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                • tasker89
                  Minder of The Nugget
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 229

                  #9
                  I selected "other" but not because I don't think it isn't SP. I just don't agree with the conclusion that the Gardners are "done", though SP as we all know it may be.
                  AO's resident CenterFlag salesguy...

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                  • MANN
                    I am in TN. GO VOLS.
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 4266

                    #10
                    I voted SP, but they are not dead. they are just laying off employees. which was spun into "SP is going out of buisness"

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                    • Mongoose
                      VenomousDesigns.com

                      • Nov 2006
                      • 1593

                      #11
                      Originally posted by MANN
                      I voted SP, but they are not dead. they are just laying off employees. which was spun into "SP is going out of buisness"
                      so the news is out already? wasnt aware that it was released

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                      • bulzeye
                        Registered User
                        • May 2003
                        • 255

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Lohman446
                        It seemed pretty easy to jump on SP as being the company that failed, and it has some logic behind it (DLX for instance).

                        However there are other major companies out there that this would not be surprising and one could make a compelling argument:

                        Dye: massive investment requires return on investment to keep afloat. Paintball has slowed down

                        Empire: Same as Dye but with less of a following it seems

                        WDP: When was the last great Angel? - yeh, just pretend this was right in the poll

                        PMI: Evil / PMI. Big enough distributor but has been fading lately.

                        Vote once - defend your logic if you chose.

                        empire/evil/pmi are not companies. they are only a brand

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                        • Lohman446
                          Useful posts: 7
                          • Jun 2003
                          • 9315

                          #13
                          Originally posted by bulzeye
                          empire/evil/pmi are not companies. they are only a brand
                          I had missed or forgotten the sale to KEE . That being said most large conglomerations at least keep some division of corporations to seperate assetts for legal reasons. While they are likely all under the KEE flagship I would be willing to bet they still exist as a corporation seperate from KEE. IE - it was possible for Chrysler to go bankrupt without bankrupting the assett management group that owned it. That being said it was an oversight on my part
                          "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess

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                          • bulzeye
                            Registered User
                            • May 2003
                            • 255

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Lohman446
                            I had missed or forgotten the sale to KEE . That being said most large conglomerations at least keep some division of corporations to seperate assetts for legal reasons. While they are likely all under the KEE flagship I would be willing to bet they still exist as a corporation seperate from KEE. IE - it was possible for Chrysler to go bankrupt without bankrupting the assett management group that owned it. That being said it was an oversight on my part
                            pmi maybe as they were the only one that you listed that was formerly a company. empire and evil have always just been a brand.

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                            • Rudz
                              Registered User

                              • Apr 2005
                              • 5087

                              #15
                              I personally thinl SP will sell off current inventory then regroup under the GImilsim and DLX names.

                              The SP line must not be making money anymore and they've decided in there eyes the 50 cal milsim is the new era, I doubt we will ever truly rid ourselves of the gardner brothers, but what I'm wondering is what will happen with there patents, THAT could affect the industry if SP is no longer capable of enforcing them.

                              The gardners have too many well paid lawyers for them to just dissapear, I believe SP may be gone, but not the gardners, you think we would really get rid of them so easy?
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