banning nitrogen

[skipdogg]

Geez, i saw the reasoning on their web site. Boy do they sound silly - how long has the owner been in paintball? there are numerous ways to deal with their "problem"

[zekewh]

I agree that the refs should help. I am a ref and player at the field I have been playing at for a long time now. On saturdays, we normally have a ton of walk-ons. Either being first time players or the seasoned players. Most of the time, I know everyone of the seasoned players. I tell them to take it easy on the newbies. Don't scare them away. When I play, and there are alot of new people, I either bunker tag them, or just do a one shot thing. Just be easy on them. Also, this is what the owner does sometimes. If we end up having alot of good players and alot of newbs...he would just split up the walkon's into 2 different groups. Easy solution. That so sucks about the nitro thing. See ya.

[Metzger]

hey I was there a while ago and they gave me some she cause I brought my ReTro mag there and laid down some paint. The ref kept standing right next to me and looking right at me so they knew where I was. Then he "politely" asked me to get rid of my ghillie suit cause it was "unfair" I told him fine but its not like my camo was winning the game. Then he got shot by some spray and pray of a guy on my team and told us that if we do it again hes going to get us kicked out. So I told some of the other guys w/ me and we went and got some friends piranhas and tippmanns went back and opened up on them again once again victorious. We explained its not the gun that makes the player and left with that silent honor that we all know and love. Well I have never gone back there and I think that APOCOLYPSE paintball is like the best place for pb in wisconsin. Its far away (near madison) but it is so worth it.... check that out and my fellow wisconsinites and supporters we shall rise against the promise land.

[Army]

I mailed this to them:

Sirs,
As a Moderator on www.automags.org , I became concerned after a few of our members reported that you were stopping the sale of nitrogen at your field, due to the actions of tourney players.

In your own words, " We have relatively few incidents of people causing problems at Promised Land Paintball. In the rare cases when we have people causing problems, it is virtually always tournament players. There are not many tournament players that play at Promised Land Paintball, and virtually all of them use Nitrogen/Compressed Air." This is a terrible indictment of tourney players, when you have not proven they are a considerable problem.

"Relatively few incidents", In the rare case", "virtually always" . This looks rather silly, doesn't it? If you are indeed having conflicts with a few players, are you positive they are tourney players and not simply people with expensive guns? As you say, they do not have "tourney player" on their foreheads.

You say; " Helping a teenager develop an inner desire to be responsible and accountable takes lots of dedicated effort. Some of the very things that often draw teens into trouble, such as a search for fun and excitement, can be the very same things which can be used to help keep them on a straight track. You just need to have the patience, understanding, firm resolve, lots of imagination, and some of those embers of your own youth still burning inside. But most of all, you need a deep desire and dedication within yourself to make a positive difference in the lives of our young people." Are you forgetting this? As a Christian myself, I, too, would rather teach than punish. Would it not be more profitable for young minds to be taught fair and honest play, rather than simply punish all for the deeds of a "rare few"?

Your Refs have the most say during a game. If a player is overshooting, then out that player and explain why. If a player is obviously targeting a "newbie", then take the offending player aside and explain, that his actions may cause the less experienced player, to never play again, and that would not be good for him, the newb, or the field. Clearly inform all during the safety brief, that overshooting or hunting new players will not be tolerated and the offender will be asked to leave. This is what we have done at our local field, and it worked. We now have well behaved players that help and encourage new players, whether they own a Talon or Emag. We also encourage tourney players to play our field, for their presence shows the new people that they too, can become a better player with time and practice.

I ask that your nitro ban be disolved, and ask the experienced players to help the new players during the day. Everyone wins, and your field will be talked about favorably.


David , aka Army

[bofh]

Army, you da man.

[nerobro]

I spoke to one of the owners today at lunch. They were quite happy to speak with me today.... and were amazed at the responce they got. I gained much respect for them today... I will be becoming a member there just to have a place to bring my friends who aren't ready for country club, and don't want to deal with the BS at CPX.

Very simply the field is private. They are trying to keep the games tame and easy for newbies to handle. Their own family memebers avoid playing there as to not ruin the atmosphere. The field is private so they can preserve the gentle ball ideal.

The idea is that it'll be a game between friends.... Not the mock tourament games that a lot of players are in search of.

The Banning nitrogen thing.. isn't happening. They just aren't going to fill it (they don't have the equipment.. and I understand their logic.. if it's a bit misguided.) The woman i spoke to understood my point on hating hot shots.. and why I ran nitrogen.

The jersey thing in their rules came from a few occations of a group of players... TWiB's IHMO... Who came as a team to storm the field. A set of 5 teammembers can flatten 50 newbies, and really provide a rotten experience for all.

This field IS NOT for playing balls to the wall, all out paintball. Think of it as a low stress game. I have some friends who could really use this atmosphere to re-aquaint them to the game. Or a place to go, for the disenchanted paintball player.

This place sounds nice....... it's NOT a place to hone and breed your skills. When I go, I'm showing up, PGP in hand. Jersey on. With a cocker and a mag to loan out. And I won't be turned away.

If you don't like it. Don't go. If you want high intensity... apoc, CCP and CPX will take your buisness...

[nerobro]

Originally posted by Scooter/Cootie
I'd recommend going to another field. Try Paintball Sam's. Its in Wisconsin and only a few minutes north of Promiseland on Highway K.

Face it, fields probably get up to 70% of their income from 'tournament' players. If it's true, they'll probably change their minds next year.

this field RECCOMENDS players who want to play hard to go elsewhere. Their own family plays at other fields when they want.... an intense game.

The field makes most of their money on church groups and clubs. they could live without open play entirely.

As for religion... The only religon you'll find is the fish, and a prayer before the day of play. they are accepting of all.

Yes.. i'm defending the field.. we need fields like this. to keep players... refreshed and alive. Burnout sucks.

[iisp0tii]

ah go buy a scuba tank or 2 & charge your own prices to people

[Telefragged]

Dont live near there, but that just sounds ridiculous. They're asking for a decrease in profits with a ban on N2/HPA

[nerobro]

the difference is maybe 5 players a week. they aren't a "public" field. You can't just show up on saturday and expect to play.

[Restola]

if they dont want your money just dont go there...

every field owner has the right to set whatever rules they want, no matter how lame.

if mcdonalds wants to stop selling burgers then so be it. sucks to those who like mcdonalds hamburgers, but im sure capitolism will solve the problem quickly.

[tarrasque]

thanks to all those who have helped and also those who have seen this thread. I enjoy playing there very much and cant wait till the season opens. their fields are good and i like that they do cater to the newbie which is the future of paintball(read that in a magazine) and really is how this sport continues to thrive.

the fact that a field would do this to remove their problems is stupid i have played there many times and i think they have to have more refs and an addition to their safety talk.

Thank you army for responding

the only thing i have had problems with at this field is this one now on the ban...

it seems that it will not work in their favor anyway. i have emailed them several times so has my friend. they have not responded, but i do believe i shall give them a call...

thanks

[Restola]

it seems that it will not work in their favor anyway.

then the problem will solve itself. just give it time.

[irbodden]

Sorry to hear that, but Promiseland is a very Rec field. Infact, their main purpose is to cater to youth and mens groups. In their opinion, letting these people have a good team is worth more than making some extra money on the tourny players who may have visted their field.

I will send aletter though.

[Thordic]

My advice is pick up a nice shocker with a maxflo reg. Then rip em up