Prophecy Or Rotor?

[Enemy]

since this wasnt said id take the prophecy simple because simon is more willing to work with customers on any issues his loaders have while dye is more adept to if its not completely manufactuer defect your on your own.. other than that they both feed paint fast... really fast and they both have good strong shells on them.

Oh and yes there are some tuning things that can be done with the rotor, trackers was only feeding 13 bps until he adjusted a few things now its up to speed.

[usagi_tetsu]

Can't remember who said it, think it was Mike from TechPB.com, but somewhere I saw someone on a video talking about the differences between the Rotor, Prophecy, and Pinokio and it boiled down to personal preference. All of them are of a similar performance and price, and can be had for significantly cheaper from the used market, cheap enough that you should be able to afford purchasing any of them. And considering how popular they are, if the one you bought doesn't work for you, you can easily turn around and sell it back on the used market and expect to make most or all of your purchase price back (if you bought it used), and pick up the one you didn't try.

That being said, you might also look into the Empire Invert Too. It's based on the Halo platform with performance to match (so say the reviewers), but at a far lower price point ($70 brand spanky new).

[Shirow]

Can't remember who said it, think it was Mike from TechPB.com, but somewhere I saw someone on a video talking about the differences between the Rotor, Prophecy, and Pinokio and it boiled down to personal preference. All of them are of a similar performance and price, and can be had for significantly cheaper from the used market, cheap enough that you should be able to afford purchasing any of them. And considering how popular they are, if the one you bought doesn't work for you, you can easily turn around and sell it back on the used market and expect to make most or all of your purchase price back (if you bought it used), and pick up the one you didn't try.

That being said, you might also look into the Empire Invert Too. It's based on the Halo platform with performance to match (so say the reviewers), but at a far lower price point ($70 brand spanky new).

For only $20-30 more you can pickup a Prophecy though. For me, it was worth another $20 for the added features.

[CatoRockwell]

honestly I don't know why the invert too went up in price. I picked mine up at D-Day for $40 new. They had one heck of a market has the best low budget hopper, now they don't have much of a market considering your other options for $70+.

Needless to say, I got a steal of a deal for $40. Yet I still want the rotor. Has anyone seen the durability test by Dye?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdqKg0PIXfY

I play up in the woods in the rain & snow sometimes, I am once again 100% sold on this hopper. I have several woodsball buddies who swear by the durability of this thing.

[Shirow]

honestly I don't know why the invert too went up in price. I picked mine up at D-Day for $40 new. They had one heck of a market has the best low budget hopper, now they don't have much of a market considering your other options for $70+.

Needless to say, I got a steal of a deal for $40. Yet I still want the rotor. Has anyone seen the durability test by Dye?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdqKg0PIXfY

I play up in the woods in the rain & snow sometimes, I am once again 100% sold on this hopper. I have several woodsball buddies who swear by the durability of this thing.

Have you seen the video of Simon hitting the Prophecy with a hammer?

Durability wise they both look to be pretty good to me.

[CatoRockwell]

No i haven't. Linkey?

[Shirow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Eic0abJtA

It's pretty impressive.

Now, I have heard about issues with their feednecks but I've heard about the Rotor popping apart if you slide into a bunker hard too so who knows.

The way I looked at it right now was like this:

Pros of the Prophecy:

Much cheaper
Rip drive
Better capacity
Wider loading mouth
More configurable

Cons of the Prophecy:

Takes more batteries and supposedly has worse battery life
Not as aesthetically pleasing (to me)

Pros of the Rotor:

More aesthetically pleasing (to me)
Better battery life
Allegedly more durable than the Prophecy (although I crossed this off after seeing that video)

Cons:

Costs 50% more
Small loading mouth
Small capacity
No rip drive

When I asked around, everyone I knew that had a Rotor was happy with it but they couldn't really cite anything that made them pick it that didn't come down to 'it looks cool and it's made by Dye'. Supposedly it's more durable.. but from that Youtube video the Prophecy looks durable.

Supposedly it's easier to setup - just plug and play - but I've still heard that it breaks paint so to me, I'd rather have the configurability of the Prophecy.

Supposedly, it gets better battery life.. well, I don't play THAT much so that wasn't a huge deal to me.

Otherwise, everything else looked like a downside to me.

On Black Friday, you could pick up a Prophecy for $90... I just couldn't justify spending $60 more on a hopper that I didn't see any tangible benefit to owning over the Prophecy. I spent more time considering Pinokio vs Prophecy than Rotor, honestly.

[CatoRockwell]

thats cool, why is it that I hear a lot about the feedneck cracking? Maybe just stupid agglets, but it seemed the like from the players at local fields that those with Rotor's had a more durable hopper. While the prophecy was more customizable it was much less durable. Or so I've been told.

[Shirow]

thats cool, why is it that I hear a lot about the feedneck cracking? Maybe just stupid agglets, but it seemed the like from the players at local fields that those with Rotor's had a more durable hopper. While the prophecy was more customizable it was much less durable. Or so I've been told.

I have heard the same thing about the feedneck. Apparently it's fixed. You can buy an aluminum feedneck insert for $20 online, I'm waiting to see how solid mine is before I do it.

I don't play much speedball anyway, what I've heard about the feedneck has mostly been 'I slid hard into a bunker and it broke off' so it wasn't a huge concern to me either.

The video shows Simon whacking the feedneck with a hammer while it's in a vice so, I dunno.

Either way, it wasn't enough to put me off buying it. Even if you add in the cost of the aluminum feedneck, it's still ~$40 cheaper than a Rotor.

[Jaron]

My Prophecy feedneck cracked, but it wasn't my doing. I lent it to some teammates so they had some extra gear for the Randy Couture event ( sadly I couldn't go. ) When it came back, the back half of the feedneck was gone. Whoever used it wasn't one of my guys and I'm betting he really cranked down on it. I play with a pretty tight clamp on the feedneck and I've never had it happen to me. But I was looking for an excuse to get the green accent shells anyway.

As I said, my deciding factor was the higher ball capacity with the lowest profile. The stock Rotor and the 200 nose Prophecy are about the same size. But the high-cap Rotor shell adds significantly to the height while the Prophecy noses don't, only in length. I tend to lay a lot of cover fire and having 280 rounds in such a low profile loader is very helpful. I can't deny the benefits of the 400 rounds in a Pinokio, but it also sits so much higher that either the Prophecy or the Rotor.

[Pump Scout]

The vast majority of the early cracking problems were with the black shells. Early runs were too brittle, IIRC. The smoke ones have been mostly sans-problems.

[Shirow]

Well, my Prophecy arrived today and I'll tell you one thing I don't like about it - the stupid battery case. You have to flex the floor to try and squeeze it out and it's just a plastic box on the end of a wire. I can see that being one of the first things to get damaged/broken.

Granted, it probably wouldn't be very hard to repair but it seems like a bad design to me.

Apart from that, I'm pretty impressed - it's fairly light, I dumped a bunch of different sized paint in it and it fed well. I can see that it's probably a bit of a nightmare to fully strip down the first time but you can get to pretty much everything with just the nose cone off. Unless it broke, I can't see ever needing to fully strip it.

The magnetic lid is nice, the feedmouth is HUGE and it's not really that hard to configure. The default settings seem to be pretty sensible.

I'm glad I bought it overall.

[Pump Scout]

You did unhook the tab up front for the battery pack, right? Mine slides right out, although I tend to leave it in there unhooked.

[Shirow]

You did unhook the tab up front for the battery pack, right? Mine slides right out, although I tend to leave it in there unhooked.

Yes, I just don't like the fact that it's basically a free hanging plastic box on a wire.

[Daze]

Supposedly it's easier to setup - just plug and play - but I've still heard that it breaks paint so to me, I'd rather have the configurability of the Prophecy.

I'm a bigger fan of the prophecy, but to give Dye its due all of the Rotors I've seen with breaking issues have been set up to push paint as fast as they can. People have to figure out that slowing down the system is the best way to feed fragile paint. For some reason though, folks would rather drop test at 30bps and blend during the tourney than just run the hopper at its 20 bps settings...