Courtesy

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I'm getting really, really pissed with people on this and other forums. If you sell something, be honest about it's condition.

I mean that. I'm going to start launching paypal claims against people from now on.

I purchased a minimag on here last week. The gun had a bolt problem. Fine, it needed an oring is all. However, not described was the ASA that had a haggard hole drilled in the back side of it being cleverly covered by the trigger guard. The pin hole on the side leaks like crazy.

The safety of the grip frame was mauled by I don't know what. If stuck out so much that the rail could not be tightened to the body and frame. Couldn't tighten it either, had to remove it becuase the set screw was so jacked up. Then the rail itself inside was fubar. Finally I noticed the grip panels. They were friggin' drilled out and had little scrap edges of plastic sticking out, and can not be tightened, they flop around.



I accurately describe my items. I had to put my foot in my mouth a week or two ago, I sold a classic RT and swore it was leak free, upon arrival it leaked a little but I think the buyer fixed it. I didn't say, "I didn't realize it was like that, whatever." I offered the best advice I could on what to do.

I'm tired of being shafted. You're an if you sell something that you know is jacked up and don't tell the truth. I'm really pissed, and offering me a refund upon me rreturning your up product makes me even more angry. You know who you are.

[Will Wood]

Sorry to hear it, but most of us have (probably) been there before. Big deal.
You win some, you lose some.

Try buying from respectable sources in the future.


From the way you described the situation the seller probably had to know the condition of the gear. Either you didn't ask for enough details, or they lied about it. You prevent the one out of your control (The latter) by buying from trusted sources

[Ando]

That's not what he's getting at. All he's saying is be truthful and lay it all out on the table. Don't polish a turd and call it new when it's not.

[Bigwooly1013]

What is turd polishing is what you're best at?....

Sorry to hear about your bad experience.

This is why i take way way way way too many pictures of stuff i intend to sell on here.

[Will Wood]

That's not what he's getting at. All he's saying is be truthful and lay it all out on the table. Don't polish a turd and call it new when it's not.

I approve of venting. It's good. I'm not putting this thread down.


But you are delusional if you believe posting a thread about "Courtesy" is going to make someone to make their sale sound a lot better than it is. That's all :P I was just offering my advise to avoid getting burned in the future.

[Ruler_Mark]

I'd file them paypal claims.

[Frizzle Fry]

Try buying from respectable sources in the future.

"Respectable Sources" can be worse than relative unknowns. I've had some very bad experiences here and on AOG with people considered to be the most respectable members of the site... High post count, lots of feedback, innovative custom work, those don't make a person send you the right item or describe it properly. People get bullied into leaving good feedback when you've got a small site with big fish and little fish, especially when certain members are friends with moderators (an AOG issue more than an AO issue).




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If you got them from who I think you got them from, I'm not surprised they're destroyed (though I am surprised you got them). Did they come from Canada?

[CatoRockwell]

I'm sorry to hear that, I've had nothing but positive experiences in buying on this forum. Definitely file a complaint and post feedback on that person on this forum. They won't be selling here long if they don't make it right.

[BigDaddyJob]

Ive tried to get in the habit of posting pictures of any noteworthy flaws as well as a video of each gun minutes before it goes in the shipping box. Helps keep everyone involved happy and informed.

I know that I would really like to have a video of the gun Im receiving as added assurance or whatever. I just try to do everything that I would want back to me and its worked out so far.

It helps when I have ready access to a computer, flip video camera, and digital camera basically any minute I want though too.

Hopefully everything works out for you.

[punkncat]

I have noticed that behavior becoming more prevelent everywhere the past year or so. I used to expect it on PBN, and have always felt pretty confident buying here and a few other places, using buyers with good feedback. But, I have been the victim of non-disclosure on more deals as of late than not.

I have, in the past, just written it up to "the way it goes", but have decided after this last time to go after the dirtbags and leave bad feedback everywhere I can find them.

[FutureMagOwner]

I've had this happen on 3 guns so far, the last one I went after the guy and made him split the cost of the replacement parts from AGD.

Just so you know paypal won't do anything because they don't get involved with the condition something arrives in (especially a sale like this) only if the person doesn't ship.

Whenever I sell a gun I will be honest to its condition, and when it comes time to ship I will give them marker specific advice. For example, this morning I'm going to be shipping out a cocker to southern California. So, I told the guy receiving it that he needs to reset both regulators, and relube the gun before he gets it because shipping it tends to throw off regs and dry up lube, and it is also going from freezing cold RI to CA so there is huge climate change. I always tell people to lube the gun up before they do anything with it because I always receive guns with small leaks or massive FSDO if applicable because the oil dries up or the grease gets all gummy.

[Lohman446]

I should not have to ask "are there any holes drilled in it". I understand some minor blemishes from play / use / travel but if it took a machine to do it you really should point it out rather than just not mentioning it. While I have not been perfect about things being in perfect condition I have also never represented. A little wear and tear is to be expected. Not leaving feedback accordingly in such circumstances is doing the entire community a disservice.

[BigEvil]

I agree, this is becoming more and more frequent. You hear mumblings, but for the most part peoples gripes are not taken up with the seller. You also rarely see negative feedback, if if someone 'dares' leave any then its like WW3. Then the next buyer gets suckered by the guy as well.

For the most part, and im sad to say it, people would rather just sell off an item they are unhappy with rather than cause trouble.

I know of at least a few doosies that are very recent which you guys wouldnt believe. FUBAR'd things on major purchases that needed to be sent out for repairs and cost the buyers a bunch of additional money. I really don't know how people can sell items like that and not have the courtesy to accurately state the description.

I guess the feedback system only works when its used properly.

[jrod]

All I can say is buyer beware. I've never been burned here, but I've had my share at other places. But, with the prevalence of cheap digital cameras, there should be no reason not to demand pictures and video (if applicable). On the seller's side, I think it's easier to sell when you post lots of clear pictures and a video.

[CatoRockwell]

Well I hope everyone reports honest feedback, because that is how I determine who and who not to buy from.