PPS Brass Barrel, venting and bore opinions please!

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  • Loneassassin
    Registered User
    • Dec 2009
    • 186

    #16
    Is a Blazer not user adjustable? What's the big problem with Palmer's guns? I thought they probably tuned just like an Autococker, which isn't exactly quantum physics...(nobody has to answer this, lol.)

    Anyway, here's my $.02 on barrel sizing:

    Every brand of paint I've tried in the last 3 years or more has measured no bigger than .682. This has been important to me because I own and shoot a lot of Autocockers and Snipers. I have not been able to use anything larger than my .682 Freak insert or my .682 Kaner back without getting rollouts. I often get rollouts with my .682's. This is with Marbalizers, various DXS paint, Forumula 13, Cryptic, and many more.

    Having said that, I thought it wouldn't matter much if I overbored with my Mag, because it's open bolt; the detent ensures that each ball always starts from the same place regardless of barrel size. (if you overbore with an Autococker you'll get horrible velocity consistancy and rollouts.) For the first few days of playing with my new Mag, I used the same barrel/insert/back I would use on my Cockers. The Mag shot wonderfully, very consistant over the chrono, and quite accurate.

    Then last weekend, I wanted to try my Eclipse Shaft .689 barrel on the Mag. I did not have the same results, even though it is a very high quality barrel, and it has shot very well in the past when paint was larger. No, the velocity consistancy was definitely much worse than normal, with jumps of +/- 15fps, and very noticable when shooting at people. My cocker, on the other hand, shot the usual +/-2 or 3 fps using the same paint, but a slight underbore.

    To make a long story less long, I'd have to say that a slight underbore is your best bet, on all guns. Or even a slight overbore. .689 is vastly overbored with today's paint.

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    • athomas
      Of course it works-its AGD
      • Jan 2002
      • 8039

      #17
      Different people have different results with different setups. I used DXS paint last weekend in my emag. The Paint measured .684" on the body of the ball and .686 on the seam. I shot it with a .693 barrel. It shot so consistently that I could hit a 12" dinner plate at 100 ft with a string of shots. You could literally see the trajectory line that the paint followed because it was one after the other in the same exact line. I let others shoot it and they couldn't get over the accuracy, especially compared to their own guns they were shooting. All of them were sizing their barrels to the paint and I was the only one over-boring. I had the best accuracy of the group.
      Except for the Automag in front, its usually the man behind the equipment that counts.

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      • Hobbez
        The Untitled
        • Jan 2010
        • 308

        #18
        Must be a regional thing, because all 3 of the local fields here only sell DXS and if its not humid, I have to use my .689 insert. If it is really humid, I have to move up an insert by the end of the day. Living where I live now, if I was shopping for a single bore barrel, I'd likely buy .689. What you will need to buy will vary with your locale, climate, and altitude.
        Last edited by Hobbez; 06-29-2010, 05:06 AM. Reason: typo

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        • robertsr1811
          Long time Lurker

          • Sep 2003
          • 338

          #19
          Marketing Ju-ju aside, Palmer Brass are great barrels. I have an unported .689 on my pneumag, and it's easily the most consistant and accurate barrel I own. the only thing that porting changes is the sound signature of the barrel, as well as costing you a little bit of efficency.

          Unported rocks, has a great sound and doesn't have problems when it rains. I'd go unported .689 and never look back, especially if you get the wedgits option, which will pretty much eliminate rollouts.

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          • cockerpunk
            Haters Gonna Hate
            • Sep 2004
            • 1383

            #20
            its a tube, and a heavy one at that. and one of the most expensive ones too.

            pass.
            "because every vengeful cop with a lesbian daughter, is having a bad day, and looking for someone to blame"

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            • athomas
              Of course it works-its AGD
              • Jan 2002
              • 8039

              #21
              Originally posted by cockerpunk
              its a tube, ....
              That pretty much sums up what a paintball barrel is no matter how you look at it.
              Except for the Automag in front, its usually the man behind the equipment that counts.

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              • PanzerGen
                Registered User
                • Mar 2006
                • 144

                #22
                One nice thing about them is you can brasso/polish them to get a mirror flash back (helps with cleaning on the field). The brass also makes the gun much quieter especially with porting. That's all the porting is really good for, reducing sound signature. A single ported brass barrel is one of the quietest barrels I have ever owned. The other thing I like was that the brass balanced out my mag (which was backheavy to the extreme). As for accuracy... its not really any different from Al barrels (I tested this with a few of mine). Paint quality trumps all else.

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                • cockerpunk
                  Haters Gonna Hate
                  • Sep 2004
                  • 1383

                  #23
                  Originally posted by athomas
                  That pretty much sums up what a paintball barrel is no matter how you look at it.
                  i do believe the quote from Tom Kaye is "if i had to do it all over again, i'd have done barrels. so much money has been wasted on barrels ..."

                  lets talk about barrels: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqkar0jAulE
                  "because every vengeful cop with a lesbian daughter, is having a bad day, and looking for someone to blame"

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                  • snoopay700
                    Serious About Men

                    • Jan 2006
                    • 3071

                    #24
                    Originally posted by cockerpunk
                    i do believe the quote from Tom Kaye is "if i had to do it all over again, i'd have done barrels. so much money has been wasted on barrels ..."

                    lets talk about barrels: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqkar0jAulE
                    What was mentioned in the video is exactly what i've found in my experiences. That's why the only barrel i've ever bought was an original crown point and only because it was an original. Other than that, i just use the stock barrels.
                    Il n'y a point de sots si incommodes que ceux qui ont de l'esprit.

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                    • Newt
                      Darth Amphibian
                      • May 2009
                      • 450

                      #25
                      The PPS dual ported takes second prize for the quietest barrel I've ever shot. However, it easily takes the blue ribbon for heavyweight category.

                      As for efficiency, I know my FPS jumped when I changed from a J&J two piece.

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                      • going_home
                        Hebrews 13:8

                        • Dec 2004
                        • 8344

                        #26
                        Personally I am using almost exclusively an 8" Apex.
                        Love that barrel.
                        Reach out and touch someone !

                        I was standing dead out in the open and the enemy couldnt advance or hit me
                        and I was taking them out one by one.
                        Apex on a MacDev Drone.
                        It was too much fun !

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