Who can do it?

[Beemer]

Give me the FPS on EVERY ball AT ANY BPS.

The red chrono is easy at one BPS.

BPS really dont mean a thing if you dont know the FPS on EVERY ball in that second.

I say there is a drop.[cant prove it yet] If you chrono at 300FPS at one[BPS] I would bet that at ten BPS, FPS would drop and then level off.

I am even tempted to bet that if I chroned an X-Valve at 285 at one BPS then at ten or more BPS FULL AUTO I would be at about 295 CONSISTENTLY for EVERY ball.

I have vid of the EMag at twenty BPS Full auto but no clue at the FPS on every one of those twenty balls

This leads to the question, what is the MOST consistent gun and at what FPS.

I always see the adds.........This gun is so consistent OR extreme consistency. I call shens till someone posts or tells the REAL numbers.

I have or can get everything I need EXCEPT the chrono to read the FPS on anything more then eight BPS.

68 cal. Barrel Bore. Check.
68 cal. Three Gram round nylon balls. Check
Ability to make most guns on the market shoot full auto at a set BPS[not pumps] Check
Device, Chrono or super high speed camera to measure FPS on EVERY ball at high BPS.

I know for a fact that on HPA at one BPS the Classic Valve will shoot plus or minus one FPS

[MANN]

This leads to the question, what is the MOST consistent gun and at what FPS.

My most consistent gun is my excal. I actually played with it for the first time today. I did nothing to it other than install a new battery since I purchased it from eric a ~year ago. The chrono readings were 288 289 291 288 290 or there about. It did not vary more than 3bps when shooting 10 or so rounds. I was highly surprised. My viking is consistent, but no where near as broke in as the excal. Its almost as it has got better with age.

As for shooting 10bps, and chronoing every ball. Who cares? There is not enough demand for such a device to reason designing/producing/selling such a thing. And if one were produced your average paintballer would not want to spend the money to own one.

[IrishRedneck86]

your best bet would be a laser chrono like they use on Deadliest Warrior maybe or high speed camera in front of a alternating color board with set distances like they do on Mythbusters other than that normal cronos arent made to record high rates of fire besides how would you read one if your shooting at anything over 8-10BPS I mean my eysight is good and quick but not that quick as the number would flash on the screen so you need video or computer records to look back on to confirm

[Beemer]

My most consistent gun is my excal. I actually played with it for the first time today. I did nothing to it other than install a new battery since I purchased it from eric a ~year ago. The chrono readings were 288 289 291 288 290 or there about. It did not vary more than 3bps when shooting 10 or so rounds. I was highly surprised. My viking is consistent, but no where near as broke in as the excal. Its almost as it has got better with age.

As for shooting 10bps, and chronoing every ball. Who cares? There is not enough demand for such a device to reason designing/producing/selling such a thing. And if one were produced your average paintballer would not want to spend the money to own one.

Thats nice you chronoed at one ball per second?

I do. Do you shoot one BPS in game? My classic Mag is better then yours then. On HPA one BPS 299, 300, 298, 299,299,299. Thats + - ONE. My Mag is MORE consistant.

I guess your post has a point. NO one knows no one cares. No one wants to know.

[Beemer]

your best bet would be a laser chrono like they use on Deadliest Warrior maybe or high speed camera in front of a alternating color board with set distances like they do on Mythbusters other than that normal cronos arent made to record high rates of fire besides how would you read one if your shooting at anything over 8-10BPS I mean my eysight is good and quick but not that quick as the number would flash on the screen so you need video or computer records to look back on to confirm

Yup high speed camera with a distance chart for backdrop. Frames per second and elapsed time or built in timer and bingo we got FPS on evey ball.

[MANN]

Thats nice you chronoed at one ball per second?

I do. Do you shoot one BPS in game? My classic Mag is better then yours then. On HPA one BPS 299, 300, 298, 299,299,299. Thats + - ONE. My Mag is MORE consistant.

I guess your post has a point. NO one knows no one cares. No one wants to know.

I know it was less than 4 balls per second because the chrono kicks into where it reads the bps instead of the speed of the ball.

I always did find it intriguing that the classic mag valve was more consistent than the xvalve (or at least in my experiences). It is neat that you can change the velocity by changing the way you hold the trigger.

I was still highly impressed with the excal. The barrel was no where near the right size. Today I played with paint that rolled freely through a .681 barrel. I was highly disappointed with the field paint.

[Beemer]

I know it was less than 4 balls per second because the chrono kicks into where it reads the bps instead of the speed of the ball.

I always did find it intriguing that the classic mag valve was more consistent than the xvalve (or at least in my experiences). It is neat that you can change the velocity by changing the way you hold the trigger.

I was still highly impressed with the excal. The barrel was no where near the right size. Today I played with paint that rolled freely through a .681 barrel. I was highly disappointed with the field paint.

This would be a controlled test. see first post.

68 barrel
68 round nylon ball at 3 grams.

You DONT know how consistent the X-Valve is at HIGH BPS do you?

At ten or more BPS full auto my money is going on the X-Valve. Till we can prove other wise.

[BigEvil]

This thread should be locked until someone produces a chrono that can do this test. Unless there is something you are not telling us Bummer?




Just sayin'















Oh, and don't ban me.

[going_home]

Hi. I'm With Cranky :-)

I guess your post has a point. NO one knows no one cares. No one wants to know.

Lotta love in here.
I can feel it.

[Smoothice]

Thanks for spreading the love as always...

[Smoothice]

Have TK call up mythbusters. He can tell them that they can do a test on his mustache IF they let you guys use their high speed cameras.

[kcombs9]

Yup high speed camera with a distance chart for backdrop. Frames per second and elapsed time or built in timer and bingo we got FPS on evey ball.

Punkworks could do that test with the high speed camera they have...

[Beemer]

This thread should be locked until someone produces a chrono that can do this test. Unless there is something you are not telling us Bummer?


Just sayin'

Oh, and don't ban me.

You must be slow and missed my user title. There is always something I aint telling.
Ban whats a Ban? Dis me again and I will Ban you like I have more then once before. I think you are smart enough to contribute. If you arent sure, dont post in this thread. Back on topic.

Punkworks could do that test with the high speed camera they have...

Hmmm. Where are they?

[hill160881]

no high speed camera needed just use a gun clamp and a target at the outermost accurate range of the marker(make sure the marker wont move when it is fired)

Make sure you use good paint for this.

Shoot and observe the difference in where one bps hits and if there is any drop in where it is hitting when a rope is pulled. A camera at say 30 FPS could get that easily, just zoom up on the target and compare the two videos side by side on a computer. Hell draw reference lines on the target

If there is any noticeable drop in where it is grouping the shoots then yes, it is loosing speed if not then it isn't.

Of corse not a test that will give you a # but it will confirm the theory, or not.

I dont think it will be any more of a drop than the normal inconsistency the marker shows when fired slowly. Unless the marker is not tuned properly. It is noticeable when a marker has shoot drop off because it wont stack paint until well into the rope.

Just my thoughts on the theory

[Beemer]

no high speed camera needed just use a gun clamp and a target at the outermost accurate range of the marker(make sure the marker wont move when it is fired)

Make sure you use good paint for this.

Shoot and observe the difference in where one bps hits and if there is any drop in where it is hitting when a rope is pulled. A camera at say 30 FPS could get that easily, just zoom up on the target and compare the two videos side by side on a computer. Hell draw reference lines on the target

If there is any noticeable drop in where it is grouping the shoots then yes, it is loosing speed if not then it isn't.

Of corse not a test that will give you a # but it will confirm the theory, or not.

I dont think it will be any more of a drop than the normal inconsistency the marker shows when fired slowly.

Excellent and a good post. But if you do that you dont have a good control. You would have to weigh and measure every ball.

We have a 68 cal bore barrel with a 68 cal round nylon ball at 3 grams as a control.

Your last sentence is the point. If it drops at all I have to compesate when I aim.[walk it in]
Its basic. Consistency equils accuracy.

If you have to walk it in you are in consistent. To be accurate you need to hold the line at the range you are shooting.

Edit........

Why do think the cheaters are using the velocity ramp. you cant be good at aiming walking it in. you have to hold the line.