The Brothers Grimm are back under a new Alias: GOG paintball

[Ravenneon]

I don't see how what they did is capitalism at its finest There are plenty of capitalist ventures that are honest and succeed by providing a product that hits the markets requirements either through price, quality, service, or a combination thereof.

If anything it shows a problem with our patent law process.

I meant it to be sarcastic...evidently it wasn't

[KillerOfGiants]

If SP were meant to succeed, they would. They didn't provide a quality product and instead through out BS like owning a patent for any markers with an on/off switch... I mean... really? That's as bad as when Harley-Davidson attempted to trademark the ****ty sound their 'cycles make.

Speaking of on/off switches. How could SP send a cease & desist to AGD when the emags use a pin to open and close the circuit?

[Frizzle Fry]

If SP were meant to succeed, they would. They didn't provide a quality product and instead through out BS like owning a patent for any markers with an on/off switch... I mean... really? That's as bad as when Harley-Davidson attempted to trademark the ****ty sound their 'cycles make.

Speaking of on/off switches. How could SP send a cease & desist to AGD when the emags use a pin to open and close the circuit?

Check out the Have Blues patent page... It's VERY open ended.

[mostpeople]

I love the Dye Rotor, I mean lets be honest its one of if not the best hopper systems out there. Prophecy is either equal, or a little lower in rank.

[MAGpie]

I'll just say this again :



Will have to amend to include a GoG somewhere...

[bound for glory]

this still going? really, who the hell cares? AGD guys like us hate these jerks. but this is getting old are we all mad at them because they tried to advance their "brand"? yep, they steped on many toes, to say the least...but thats what they do. we know this. its been beaten to death. the mods should put a cap on this crap.
who cares if these idiots have a new gig going? don't buy from them. let it go.

[CatoRockwell]

Not everyone knows who is behind GOG, it is our responsibility as consumers to notify each other of these kind of developments so that no one makes the mistake of doing business with them

Additionally, it's our duty smash every head of this hydra until the Gardner Bros leave paintball forever OR repent of what they've done, if they can.

[Frizzle Fry]

OR repent of what they've done, if they can.

I know at least a couple other members echo this; JUST MAKE BARRELS AND GRIPS.

If Smart Parts went back to making barrel kits, grips, feednecks, and "PARTS" in general as they did for so long, there'd be little room for game-playing and patent problems... Remember back when it was cool to pick up a set of Smart Parts grips? Or a barrel? Everything was well made, looked cool, and had something going for it that made you prefer it over the next guys product, and it wasn't just price. Feednecks, eye covers, snatch grips, barrels, grips, ASAs, regulators, etc were what made Smart Parts big and what kept them alive... Regardless of what influence their markers had on the game, markers are what made them hated and killed them in the long run.

[Mindflux]

I know at least a couple other members echo this; JUST MAKE BARRELS AND GRIPS.

If Smart Parts went back to making barrel kits, grips, feednecks, and "PARTS" in general as they did for so long, there'd be little room for game-playing and patent problems... Remember back when it was cool to pick up a set of Smart Parts grips? Or a barrel? Everything was well made, looked cool, and had something going for it that made you prefer it over the next guys product, and it wasn't just price.

The problem is people are trying to patent things like flip lock feednecks and crap.

SP set too much patent trolling in motion and really stunned the innovative process for a lot of companies, some of which abandoned paintball all together and some that are just clinging on to a small loyalist community like AGD.

I'd be nice for those patents to expire and have AGD at least 'draft up' what their next-gen electro marker could be if they ever decided to make one.

Though I guess I love my mech markers too much, I don't even own anything new fangled.

[halB]

You wanna screw these guys over? See that suit on the front page? I bet you dollars to donuts that they don't own that image and are using it illegaly. Find the original image and creator, notify them, and let a lawsuit END these people.

[Magmoormaster]

Let's see how many friends I lose with this post...

I'm actually sort of happy to see them come back. Let's be honest, the SP-1/Vibe was a great gun, espicially for the price. I like the fact that they are remaking both (even if the prices on both have gone up a good $50). At the current time, there really aren't many good sub-$200 guns in production right now. I mean, Tippmanns are good, but it's really not in the same league as a spool.

I used to hate SP... but the more I think about it, the more I see their products being pretty good. Even the Ion. I mean come on, the idea of having a gun designed so that you can upgrade the crap out of it is a really smart business plan. It means that customers will want to spend more money on upgrades and therefore the company gets more money. I GARUNTEE that most, if not all, companies have done the same or something similar.

I'm not saying that they were right to sue people out of business for patents they didn't have. And I'm not saying that I'll be buying anything from GOG anytime soon (actually, I will be getting a Freak soon), but I am saying that it's good for paintball in general for their products to be on the market. Because EVERYONE benefits; the players benefit by getting a cheap gun that will outperform anything in it's price range. And the stores benefit from the continued sales of not only their guns, but their upgrades.

Let the flaming begin.

[KillerOfGiants]

I mean come on, the idea of having a gun designed so that you can upgrade the crap out of it is a really smart business plan. It means that customers will want to spend more money on upgrades and therefore the company gets more money. I GARUNTEE that most, if not all, companies have done the same or something similar.

AGD. You can upgrade virtually every component on a classic/minimag but basically end up with a different marker. I really did enjoy my SP1, though.

[Magmoormaster]

That's a little different though. All of those parts were made for the next gun, and were reverse compatible.

[going_home]

GI Milsim .68 cal paint.

Just in case you dont want to buy it.

[CatoRockwell]

I disagree, what they did was turn paintball from a bunch of cool innovative options in company, design, etc... into a industry where companies are more concerned with finding a way to screw each other than they are with actually coming up with true innovative ideas to earn business.

I don't care if a cheap electro is a good idea for the market, everything good that came from smart parts could have been done without betraying everyone, and is therefore outweighed by their bad actions. By doing business with them, we encourage their behaviors.

I for one will never purchase anything made by the gardner bros. They need to leave the industry. I will steer anyone I can away from that company. Same as I do with Walmart. If people want cheap crap they can buy cheap crap. I for one will buy higher quality produce, meat, etc... & paintball equipment from quality companies that succeed on the merits of their quality & services not on how low they can go on price.