The Brothers Grimm are back under a new Alias: GOG paintball

[Frizzle Fry]

God wouldn't be "karmic" if someone else were able to get the SP patents and then sue these guys for violating the patents

:rofl:

[bound for glory]

and so it begins again...

[going_home]

World Cup Today

GOG Booth:

[going_home]

World Cup Today 2

GI Milsim .50 cal test booth.
1st pic is the guy running it.














People were shooting each other with .50 cal just to see how bad it hurt compared to .68.

Yeah I know

[Frizzle Fry]

I'm impressed with the lack of customers

[going_home]

I'm impressed with the lack of customers

There was a line to shoot the .50 cal Luxe though.
I didnt, just watched the crazy kids shoot each other at abot 20 feet,

[going_home]

I wonder if the Gardners will have to pay royalties on their electronic markers
now that a bank owns the infamous electronic patents ?
They dont offer any mechanical markers at either place, GOG Paintball or GI Sportz.

[factoid]

I wonder if the Gardners will have to pay royalties on their electronic markers
now that a bank owns the infamous electronic patents ?
They dont offer any mechanical markers at either place, GOG Paintball or GI Sportz.

They might have bought themselves back.

If G.I. Milsim was still liquid they could have taken money out of that company and used it to buy up the Smart Parts assets.

[Drix]

http://www.gogpaintball.com/

Did anyone else see that their model happens to be wearing sleeves that say "I'd insult you but your not smart enough to notice"?

Guess what- I noticed

[druid]

This coming from a guy who was asking about buying a new AKA marker...


And to be honest, I don't recall Empire/Halo/DXS lying to get patents and then completely stopping the free progress of paintball marker technology with C&D's. I do however remember SMART PARTS/Gardner bros. doing that to everyone else though.

so FSP and FGP!!

OK...I tried to stay out but I phail...

Yes, I'm buying a Viking. Not because I hate SP though. I've never owned one and YouTubing the Viking makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. Every one [save one that was having trouble with his] looks, sounds and acts like it's pure shecks. I will buy and try any marker once...and this one is one I haven't had the pleasure of owning yet. I shot one YEARS ago, so long ago in fact, I can't really remember the experience.

As to the second paragraph, I'll just say that I stole this from another forum because it's exactly what I mean and said earlier:

I don't see any one complaining about Dye. When Dye aquired the rights to the Matrix, Dye didn't even give manufactures the option to pay royalties on parts manufactured for the Matrix. They sent out immediate cease and desist orders to many companies. The reason they did this is, because they did not want to repair markers with other companies bolt systems in them and instead of just saying the warranty was void they drove these other companies out of business....and here's an article to back that up: http://www.pblegion.com/showpost.php...5&postcount=19

So while everyone's killing each other to put a Dye UL frame on their ___________, using a Rotor or sporting their Jerseys.......congratulations...you are a supporting member of another "SP" type company and have NO reason to complain about SP [alone].

NOW I'm done. Good night.

[bound for glory]

well, i happen to be of the opinion that DYE sucks, too. so theres that...

[Frizzle Fry]

OK...I tried to stay out but I phail...

Yes, I'm buying a Viking. Not because I hate SP though. I've never owned one and YouTubing the Viking makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. Every one [save one that was having trouble with his] looks, sounds and acts like it's pure shecks. I will buy and try any marker once...and this one is one I haven't had the pleasure of owning yet. I shot one YEARS ago, so long ago in fact, I can't really remember the experience.

As to the second paragraph, I'll just say that I stole this from another forum because it's exactly what I mean and said earlier:

I don't see any one complaining about Dye. When Dye aquired the rights to the Matrix, Dye didn't even give manufactures the option to pay royalties on parts manufactured for the Matrix. They sent out immediate cease and desist orders to many companies. The reason they did this is, because they did not want to repair markers with other companies bolt systems in them and instead of just saying the warranty was void they drove these other companies out of business....and here's an article to back that up: http://www.pblegion.com/showpost.php...5&postcount=19

So while everyone's killing each other to put a Dye UL frame on their ___________, using a Rotor or sporting their Jerseys.......congratulations...you are a supporting member of another "SP" type company and have NO reason to complain about SP [alone].

NOW I'm done. Good night.

So basically you're equating DYEs decision to enforce the patent that they'd bought (no false claims) to an extremely specific marker design they'd bought (no sweeping statements) for a brief period of time (a handful of months between 2003 and 2004) to flush out the fairly common control issues in aftermarket parts and bodies from two specific companies?

By 2004 there were DYE-approved 3rd party accessories, and in 05/06 several companies had private label guns run up or made customshop models... That article seems pretty neutral except for Drew Nelsons comments, which don't have much value seeing as he was the one producing that parts that were causing all the problems, and is probably fairly bitter about the whole situation.


That in no way compares to the constant broadening of a patent that goes from "specific marker design" to "marker that uses two solenoids" to "marker that uses an electronic triggering device" all the way to "marker that uses electronics". Smart Parts wasn't sending cease and desist notices because of QC issues with 3rd parties, or because people were copying a specific marker design that they own. If Matrixes are breaking, DYE loses out. If Excals and Ecockers are breaking, that in no way effects Smart Parts.

[cerrik]

If Matrixes are breaking, DYE loses out. If Excals and Ecockers are breaking, that in no way effects Smart Parts.

It does if ppl switch to a SP marker when their other one breaks. Makes them rich it does.

[Ravenneon]

Nah...I call it what it is...

People sit and cry about AGD, AKA [et al] and blast SP - yet own Empire, Halo, DXS and everything from everyone who does the same BS...just in a "different venue."

...all the while, claiming people should have the "right" to do whatever they want....just so long as what 'they' [SP] wants is the same was what they [cato and crowd] wants too. If not, jump to boycott them.

The hypocrisy is astounding.

BUT...I'm done with this thread. They're back, get used to it and have your tissues ready for when you get eliminated by another $200 marker while shooting your $1,500-$2,000 X-Mag.

Night.

I don't see how getting knocked out by a cheap marker would offend someone. Hell, someone could knock you out just by throwing a paintball at you reguardless of what marker you own. When I was a newbie and just got a minimag I knocked out guys with Angels. Not a single one of them were ever mad. In fact all those guys usually came up to kids like me and shook our hands and commented on how it was a good shot. Those were the days where it wasn't about lighting someone up or psycho dominating a market. Thats why I bought a mag was for the quality eventhough you could pick up something equivelant for half the price or less. Take my minimag for instance, in 2000 it was a 425 dollar marker.

As for the whole SP issue. I personal don't like Smart Parts. I have to many memories of being shot up by the old shoe box shockers. Which wouldn't bother me so much except that everytime the refs would check their markers they would be shooting hot. Then not only that but they would be complete a**holes about it. It just turned me off to smart parts all together. Not to mention they also had reliability issue with them as well. But I'm sure if you fast forward to present day quality you would think would be a little better. I won't buy Smart Parts because I don't like them. Not because I want boycott them or I hate what the Garner's stood for. It's capitalism at its finest. Greed turns people into animals and the worst thing about it is the law allows it.

So in conclusion AGD ROCKS!! Thats all I own as far as markers go and as long as there is automags thats all I'll ever spend money on.

[CatoRockwell]

I don't see how what they did is capitalism at its finest

There are plenty of capitalist ventures that are honest and succeed by providing a product that hits the markets requirements either through price, quality, service, or a combination thereof.

If anything it shows a problem with our patent law process.