The Brothers Grimm are back under a new Alias: GOG paintball

[going_home]

Elvis Is In The House

Same as I do with Walmart.

Attention Walmart shoppers !

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Let's see how many friends I lose with this post...

I'm actually sort of happy to see them come back. Let's be honest, the SP-1/Vibe was a great gun, espicially for the price. I like the fact that they are remaking both (even if the prices on both have gone up a good $50). At the current time, there really aren't many good sub-$200 guns in production right now. I mean, Tippmanns are good, but it's really not in the same league as a spool.

I used to hate SP... but the more I think about it, the more I see their products being pretty good. Even the Ion. I mean come on, the idea of having a gun designed so that you can upgrade the crap out of it is a really smart business plan. It means that customers will want to spend more money on upgrades and therefore the company gets more money. I GARUNTEE that most, if not all, companies have done the same or something similar.

I'm not saying that they were right to sue people out of business for patents they didn't have. And I'm not saying that I'll be buying anything from GOG anytime soon (actually, I will be getting a Freak soon), but I am saying that it's good for paintball in general for their products to be on the market. Because EVERYONE benefits; the players benefit by getting a cheap gun that will outperform anything in it's price range. And the stores benefit from the continued sales of not only their guns, but their upgrades.

Let the flaming begin.

If you want a cheap electro just picked up a used marker. Because the paintball makers ARE IDIOTS AND THINK GUNS ARE LIKE CARS AND NEED TO BE RELEASED ALL NEW EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

[Magmoormaster]

Some people would rather buy new, myself included (my problem is that all the guns I want haven't been in production for 5 years, at least). It's good for companies to have good, cheap guns available new. It helps the manufacturers as well as the dealers. The manufacturers don't get anything if you buy used. And if you want people to keep making stuff, you have to support them. You don't support anyone if you buy used.

@Cato, I agree with you. There wasn't any need to shut down ICD, AKA, etc. And yes, paintball technology has stagnated. But really, I think we would have reached this point regardless. Because honestly, where can it go? Poppits have been perfected, spools are getting there. Guns aren't going to get any lighter, smoother, etc.

BTW, I think Smart Parts/GoG is done sueing everyone. I don't think they have in the past 4 years that I've been playing at least.

Right now, price is the most important thing for paintball. It's an expensive sport, we all know that. Making something cost less doesn't mean it has poor quality; it just means they were smart and finally started mass producing stuff. Even Bob Long is still making stuff in his garage.

There will always be people like you, that are willing to spend more money on a higher quality product, and there's nothing wrong with that. But you have to realise, not everyone is the same. It's better for the players if there are some good cheap guns on the market. Even if you won't buy them, you should be able to see that the market demands them.

[CatoRockwell]

@Cato, I agree with you. There wasn't any need to shut down ICD, AKA, etc. And yes, paintball technology has stagnated. But really, I think we would have reached this point regardless. Because honestly, where can it go? Poppits have been perfected, spools are getting there. Guns aren't going to get any lighter, smoother, etc.

BTW, I think Smart Parts/GoG is done sueing everyone. I don't think they have in the past 4 years that I've been playing at least.

Right now, price is the most important thing for paintball. It's an expensive sport, we all know that. Making something cost less doesn't mean it has poor quality; it just means they were smart and finally started mass producing stuff. Even Bob Long is still making stuff in his garage.

There will always be people like you, that are willing to spend more money on a higher quality product, and there's nothing wrong with that. But you have to realise, not everyone is the same. It's better for the players if there are some good cheap guns on the market. Even if you won't buy them, you should be able to see that the market demands them.

Agreed, but not from the Gardners. They need to leave the sport. It's funny the sport grew just fine, when any decent mechanical marker was easily over $250. I don't think price is the problem, if people love something, they will find a way to do it. I think the problem is that the sport lost touch with the common player. They were gearing everything towards pros, speedball, legitimacy, etc... and they forgot that the vast majority were still rec players. These players still have fun in the woods. The sport lost its honor and thats been another reason we've seen droves leave. Cheating is accepted.

There's a lot of good reasons, and I think that things are headed back in the right direction, but I don't think price was ever the deciding factor in the paintball market dwindling, in fact marker's were cheaper than ever when it did.

[Magmoormaster]

Yeah, perhaps. Personally, I don't really care. A good product is a good product.

I didn't mean that the price was what drove people away... Although, most of the people I know that stopped playing say that they stopped because it was too expensive and/or don't have time. But that's irrelevant... What I'm saying, lower prices is a good thing to shoot for. And to be honest, I think that's going to be the trend from now on. We're not going to be making guns much better than they are already. The only thing we can do is make them cheaper.

[CatoRockwell]

They can make guns better, someone just needs to be innovative.

I agree equipment should be cheaper, but the free market determines the value of such things, I don't need to worry about it.