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[Drix]

any one have a link that shows how an mq works? Also, the karta body ones look awesome.

[CatoRockwell]

Was there anything in particular that was supposed to make these marker's special? Not saying they don't look cool, they do. Just curious what the big hype about them was?

[Drix]

Was there anything in particular that was supposed to make these marker's special? Not saying they don't look cool, they do. Just curious what the big hype about them was?

Reciprocating parts- Theres virtually nothing but the bolt that moves, so it would have less kick than any other marker. In today's paintball world I don't think it'd be as epic as it would have been 5 years ago when they were supposed to come out, but they'd still be a sweet gun.

[Frizzle Fry]

Was there anything in particular that was supposed to make these marker's special? Not saying they don't look cool, they do. Just curious what the big hype about them was?

Considering how long ago they were going to have been made, yeah. Small, super efficient, virtually no recoil, few moving parts, milled feedneck, stuff like that.. Those are things that have come into popularity in the last year or two, but were unheard of in 2006, at least all together. It's also a new design; it's not a modified Intimidator or Matrix. I think someone pointed out it's got all the advantages of a spoolie and a poppit without the disadvantages... It's fresh and new, still.


Some stuff to chew on:

MSRP under $800
100 CPS
1500+ shots from a 68/45
42 BPS
6g bolt
Marker has ONE moving O-ring.


In 2006 this would have killed the Matrix a lot earlier, done damage to the Ego, and nipped DPs stacked-tube (and lowend spoolies) in the bud. That kind of efficiency and simplicity is rare for <$1000 now, and was unheard of then. With that price point it would have made the game very very different... It still could, though the look/price/oddity would probably make people think of the CREED and cringe.

[CatoRockwell]

Considering how long ago they were going to have been made, yeah. Small, super efficient, virtually no recoil, few moving parts, milled feedneck, stuff like that.. Those are things that have come into popularity in the last year or two, but were unheard of before 2008, at least all together. It's also a new design; it's not a modified Intimidator or Matrix. I think someone pointed out it's got all the advantages of a spoolie and a poppit without the disadvantages... It's fresh and new, still.

So why haven't they made it? I'm sure that Kee would allow them to use the MQ valve design if they paid royalties.

[Frizzle Fry]

So why haven't they made it? I'm sure that Kee would allow them to use the MQ valve design if they paid royalties.

That's what I'm sayin'.

[CatoRockwell]

One thing I will say is that if they came out, they definitely need a different trigger design.

[Frizzle Fry]

One thing I will say is that if they came out, they definitely need a different trigger design.

The purple one has a sling...

[BigEvil]

If that whole "White hat" thing ever happens, who knows maybe we will see this gun someday.

[Frizzle Fry]

I bet the tip from the Boost 2 bolt would fit on here

[hill160881]

I understand the patent part but why not sell it as a kit? I mean, he could offer the bodyies and frames only and whomever purchases it could just buy the rest of the parts and have it assembled. Wouldn't sell zillions like the aforementioned Ego but still could have it's share.

I like this idea. i would love a kit like this

[factoid]

Very cool design. I'm watching that animation and I'm not quite following the trigger mechanism.

What's the deal with the little purple pin and the two orange boxes that appear and disappear around it?

I get that the LPR keeps a constant flow into the dump chamber, which has a kind of on/off in it that reciprocates when the pressure on the backside is released, allowing the dump chamber to force the blow forward and exit the barrel.

The little purple pin seems to have a spring on it that exceeds the air pressure pushing against it, thus keeping the on/off closed.

But then that little orange box appears and it moves backward. Is that a magnet or something? It's like it turns on (or off) and suddenly the spring is no longer enough to hold back the pressure, it vents out the back and opens the on/off.

[cockerpunk]

a while back i designed what was in essence an inline single tubed version of this gun. i didn't use an MQ but worked very similarly. it was bascailly a blend between this valve system, with an automag bolt system. it would have been extremely efficent, much moreso then the stacked tube version. the primary drawback was that it basically required tons of boring operations and complex internal profiles, which would have made manufacturing a bit of a costly proposition.

later, i found out colin had done the same with this gun and concluded its infeasablity for the same reason.

cool technology though. a shame the MQ valve is not more popularly used, it solves many problems.

[DevilMan]

Very cool design. I'm watching that animation and I'm not quite following the trigger mechanism.

What's the deal with the little purple pin and the two orange boxes that appear and disappear around it?

I get that the LPR keeps a constant flow into the dump chamber, which has a kind of on/off in it that reciprocates when the pressure on the backside is released, allowing the dump chamber to force the blow forward and exit the barrel.

The little purple pin seems to have a spring on it that exceeds the air pressure pushing against it, thus keeping the on/off closed.

But then that little orange box appears and it moves backward. Is that a magnet or something? It's like it turns on (or off) and suddenly the spring is no longer enough to hold back the pressure, it vents out the back and opens the on/off.

I'm pretty sure the orange boxes are representing electromagnetic forces... When you pull the trigger, the coils energize and pull the purple pin back. That opens the valve and lets the air through. The green is a spring/magnet that pushes the pin back forward after the electomagnetic force is released.

That's just my thought... and could very well be wrong.

DM

[cockerpunk]

I'm pretty sure the orange boxes are representing electromagnetic forces... When you pull the trigger, the coils energize and pull the purple pin back. That opens the valve and lets the air through. The green is a spring/magnet that pushes the pin back forward after the electomagnetic force is released.

That's just my thought... and could very well be wrong.

DM

sounds about right to me.

an MQ works very much like a giant soleniod.