Foamie vs. No Foamie

[RogueFactor]

The v1.0 bolt was created with Venturi porting and as a result will look similar to any other bolt with Venturi porting.

For those interested in reading about the Venturi effect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venturi_effect

[pillage]

If you are so dead set on going foamieless, just make a solid insert for the level ten and either secure it with a snap ring or pin. If you want to make the insert stainless, it can be silver soldered into place easily enough. The venturi effect is more effective in non compressible liquids, not compressible gases. So are you trying to increase the Delta-P with your bolt, if so to what point?

No, but that's a good thing. They're QC and business ethics have both gone down the tubes.

I guess I got one of their midweek production ones then as it works like a level 7. I had a couple of ANS in regs, they sucked big time. Business ethics in a paintball business......really. Please tell me more.

[RogueFactor]

The venturi effect is more effective in non compressible liquids, not compressible gases. So are you trying to increase the Delta-P with your bolt, if so to what point?

The bolt piston made it necessary to design and test it this way than a de Laval nozzle more suitable for ideal gases and acts as a Venturi tube at low speeds.

All discussion for a different thread. This is just a simple foamie vs. no foamie question.

[Dend78]

regular foamie that is lost within a day no go, but something to keep the ball from rolling around in the breech yes. such as stated before a piece of delrin to take up the space would keep the weight low and fix the roll around

[Frizzle Fry]

I guess I got one of their midweek production ones then as it works like a level 7. I had a couple of ANS in regs, they sucked big time. Business ethics in a paintball business......really. Please tell me more.

I'm not saying they were any better than a stock lvl 7 - I haven't done the testing, I don't know, and I haven't noticed anything spectacular. All I'm saying is that back when they were making bolts, they didn't come out unpolished wrecks with interiors full of burrs and exteriors covered in machining marks.

As for business ethics - they're responsible for the extremely dangerous (and extremely unlicensed) non-regulating GA Myth clones, and a bunch of unlicensed CP knockoff parts with their signature "quality" finish with fake logos and decals... That's a bit more than the usual minor patent violation. Hell, when you order from them and they don't have what you ordered, they just throw something similar in the box!

[Ando]

Foamies are pointless, I've never had an issue with it not being on the bolt. All but one of my markers still has the foamie installed and I've never experienced roll outs or any of what's been said here. I see no use for them and re-gluing them is just a pain and Only thing I've had success with when re-gluing them is epoxy. Even then they tend to pop off after a year give or take.

@ hill160881 & cougar20th
There's no way you can make the bolt out of anything but some sort of harden metal or steal. Even a mild steal or 7075 aluminum will get destroyed in time. Aluminum or any other soft metal will get eaten up by the harden spring and sear. The Venom bolt (which was made out of TI) had the best design when it came to weight reduction, probably the best aftermarket bolt period for the mag. I still have mine from back in the mid 90's and still going strong. I heard they were prone to snap where the sear catches but I've only seen one in a picture so I'm not sure how truthful those statements were.

@Chronobreak

a delrin piece of plastic as a spacer or replacement for the foamie works jsut fine

Have you tried it?

@Frizzle Fry
God!!! Your such a hater.

Get off your ANS soapbox already.

We get it, you don't like them

[211]

never had a problem with the old school hard nose bolts

[SSP-SheiK]

The v1.0 bolt was created with Venturi porting and as a result will look similar to any other bolt with Venturi porting.

For those interested in reading about the Venturi effect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venturi_effect

so what your saying is, its the same bolt... if not would you be so kind as to explain what makes your bolt better?

[RogueFactor]

so what your saying is, its the same bolt... if not would you be so kind as to explain what makes your bolt better?

Not the same bolt, same porting design only.

The RPG ULE bolt is lighter. That was the goal of the v1 along with testing the Venturi porting design.

[sjrtk]

As long as you can keep the ball centered in the chamber (like the hard nose bolts did) i don't see a reason why a fomie is needed. Other than that it doesn't really matter i guess.

[Newt]

Foamie. Just cut the outside ribs off and put a dab of superglue on, and you'll never loose it.

[pillage]

The bolt piston made it necessary to design and test it this way than a de Laval nozzle more suitable for ideal gases and acts as a Venturi tube at low speeds.

All discussion for a different thread. This is just a simple foamie vs. no foamie question.

What do you consider a low speed, on the gas expansion in an non closed vessel such as the the Automag valve when it fires? To what benefit? You would have to have a provable benefit to sway the masses to part with their money for your new product. Otherwise it sounds sort of Magic-Boxish.

What is the cost range of these new bolts? It sounds like it is an expensive fix, for a non problem?

On the simple question of foamie or no foamie, either or.


Frizzle Fry, I know ANS had made some questionable stuff, and ordering from them is a crap shoot. I only said the Venturi bolt I have seemed to work as a level7 does. Of course I did not get it new.

[hill160881]

OK lets see the non foamie bolt do this without barrel braking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoQsSpacNp0 Until i see a vid of a level 7 doing 26 BPS clean i will want a foamie. They are softer on paint!

And the whole point is weight reduction, and anyone that has shot a lighter bolt in any marker will understand the value in that.


So the problem fixed is the heavy bolt. So what this product would do is reduce the recoil and markers vibrations while changing the sound signature.

[pillage]

When I had a level 7 in my Rt classic it would cycle incredibly fast, I just could not get a hopper to keep it from blending the paint to mush.

[hill160881]

The L 7 will shoot that fast but it broke several per hopper when i tried shooting it over 18 bps(three types of paint were tested). I also tried both types of non foamy L7 bolts with the same results. I have not tried a foamy L7 yet because i dont have one. Nor have i tried a venturi L7.