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  • OPBN
    OldPBNoob

    • Sep 2008
    • 5240

    #1

    XM15 pump kit project

    So I have had an old SL68II sitting around in my basement for awhile that I modified, and have yet to use. Regardless, I have seen some pumpmag projects around and had an urge to build one, but always put it off due to the investment in $150+ for a kit. When XM-15, mentioned, he was coming out with a kit and it was going to be sub $70, I posted my interest and ended up being first on the list. Long story, short, I got the kit and ended up building a pump. I wanted a front grip, but wanted it shorter so I optioned to have XM-15 mill the block to accept an RTPro vert ASA that I had laying around. In order to cut some weight, I figured to have the front grip act as a reg as well, so I removed the reg from the valve and picked up a cap from Duece Machina from MCB. (BTW XM-15 offered to make one as well if needed). I am now using a Bob Long HP reg to regulate the input to the valve.To keep the rail from hanging out, I cut it down and sent it to Lukes to get pump milled, something XM also now does. For a body, I used a minimag body that Lukes had previously done a vert conversion on, and a Redz Cam-Loc feedneck is keeping the Winchester hopper in place. I removed the stop lid and epoxied a spring lid from an old pod I had laying around. I also ended up with a good deal on a Micro CAII that I picked up on Ebay. Winning this was one of the dedciding factors in making this marker, as well as selling the Micromag body which left me with a single frame and valve with a Phase II back that no one wanted to buy.

    What actually impressed me the most was the fact that this thing actually worked ON THE FIRST TRY! Sort of. I did realize after a few shots that it was still firing semi auto, but clipping the main spring solved that. It has been awhile since I used CO2, and so far, I have found my FPS to be somewhat erratic. I was testing in my 60 degree or so basement, and will have to do some more fiddling to see if I can get it better. I am thinking about sending the valve out to get devolumized, wondering if this will help, or if it is the Bob Long reg that is inconsistent. I know CO2 by nature is not very consistent, but was defintiely hoping for better than this.

    Here's a pic of the semi finished project. Additional plans are hooking up some sort of "hitman mod" and than sending it out to get reanodized in gloss black.

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  • Smoothice
    Registered User

    • Nov 2006
    • 4579

    #2
    Looks good. You could try putting your valve reg back on and seeing if that makes the consistency better. Then you will know it is your vert reg. Then you could look for a better one.

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    • OPBN
      OldPBNoob

      • Sep 2008
      • 5240

      #3
      Originally posted by Smoothice
      Looks good. You could try putting your valve reg back on and seeing if that makes the consistency better. Then you will know it is your vert reg. Then you could look for a better one.
      Thanks, I know it doesnt have a lot of "wow factor", but I intended it to be all business. I hadnt considered putting the reg back on. I really figured that a Bob Long reg would be a good quality regulator. Maybe it's not used to co2? . I need to get more testing time. Weather is too cold to do it outside and my wife gets pissed when I shoot paint in the basement as it seems to get everywhere. I wouuld also like to get it on a real chrono. The one I have is a handheld and you have to reset it after every shot. Doesn't give a very good idea of what real world play would be like if I was shooting 1-2 shots per second rather than, 5-10 seconds between shots.
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      • Smoothice
        Registered User

        • Nov 2006
        • 4579

        #4
        When I saw it I said "wow".

        I think it looks really good. I like that the valve ends with the rail. Very clean. Not sure if dovolumizing it will help with consistency. But if should give you more shots on a 12gram. I did a bunch of testing when I had my valve done. It seemed to make a big difference.

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        • OPBN
          OldPBNoob

          • Sep 2008
          • 5240

          #5
          You and I spoke about the devolumizing briefly in another thread. Results were interesting, barrel length had quite an effect on efficiency. Wondering though, you mentioned having a MM valve that you modded as well. Ever have a chance to test this one and write down results? Do you ever use the modded valves with full size tanks? I can't see why there would be any difference in the results, but want to make sureas I would like to have the flexibility.
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          • Rudz
            Registered User

            • Apr 2005
            • 5087

            #6
            Idk if that BL reg is the best for co2

            Id try a Palmers fatty, they're made for CO2 and HPA

            Devolumizing would help with efficiency

            Looks good, nice and clean, I like it
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            • OPBN
              OldPBNoob

              • Sep 2008
              • 5240

              #7
              I really wasnt looking to invest $90 into a reg for this though. I picked up the BL for $15. It'll have to do for time being. I also see that the max output on the Palmers is only 400psi. Wasnt 100% sure that it would work. I have the BL turned out pretty far and it's supposed to be an HP reg.
              Last edited by OPBN; 01-20-2011, 10:46 AM.
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              • hill160881
                fire power my friends

                • Jun 2008
                • 1156

                #8
                i have a palmer reg that would work i think. It is chrome to.

                EDIT: the net is moving fast so pic already up. Is this what you need.
                Last edited by hill160881; 01-20-2011, 11:03 AM.
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                • MAGpie
                  Super Sexy

                  • Sep 2010
                  • 173

                  #9
                  Busy putting a tac-pump together with the XM kit. I too was supper hyped when I saw the cost! Just need XM to still mill the body and rail for me, and that will happens soon as I send them off to him!

                  Can't wait!
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                  • OPBN
                    OldPBNoob

                    • Sep 2008
                    • 5240

                    #10
                    Originally posted by hill160881
                    i have a palmer reg that would work i think. It is chrome to. I will get some pics and pm them to you at lunch.
                    I have a direct mount that I bought a few years back for another project that would work, but wouldnt give me the look I am after.
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                    • hill160881
                      fire power my friends

                      • Jun 2008
                      • 1156

                      #11
                      0-800psi output.


                      Here it is on there website.
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                      • koleah
                        Registered User
                        • Jul 2005
                        • 797

                        #12
                        Also think about getting a 3.5oz co2 tank instead of the MicroCA. More shots, less fumbling around, smaller overall package.

                        If you're sticking with 12grams, think about going to microline instead of macroline for more devolumizing effect.

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                        • reckid1986
                          mags are my new hobby
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 989

                          #13
                          ^^^^ive heard of people using weed-wacker string inside of the macroline to devolumize as well^^^^

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                          • kobeastly
                            Registered User
                            • Dec 2006
                            • 45

                            #14
                            bob long regs can be hit or miss with co2. My first one (bought in 01 or 02) worked great with co2. The two that I have now hate it. I had one guaged and was using it on a sniper II and the pressure would bounce between 240 and 350.

                            reg at 350
                            shoot
                            reg at 240
                            shoot
                            reg at 350
                            shoot
                            reg at 240
                            shoot
                            reg at 350
                            and so on.

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                            • OPBN
                              OldPBNoob

                              • Sep 2008
                              • 5240

                              #15
                              I have some of the really thick walled Macroline that I am using, should devolumize more so than the thinner walled stuff. Out of curiosity, should I mainly use this after the reg or before? Seems like before the reg would diminish the expansion of the CO2, but maybe I am missing something.

                              Is there a link to a discussion about devolumizing? I might need a better grasp of the theory behind this to better understand it.
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