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  • Pudgey51
    Fat kid approved!
    • Feb 2005
    • 368

    #1

    Selling out...

    Well, I'm on baby duty this morning, so that means one thing....get the baby to nap and check out my favorite forum

    As avid paintballers here, we all have a certain connection to our mags. they are dependable, durable, and most importantly, devastatingly awesome. So its natural that when it comes to spending our money were gonna go with the best. Many of us here apply the same principle to all of our gear...but my question dives deeper, to the point where u would really have to think things through...when is an offer too good to pass up?

    My question comes from another members post regarding loaders. The member didnt wanna buy a certain type of loader because the owner of the company that made said loader once wiped during a game he played against him in. Its a valid reason for not purchasing the product. if u cannot trust the owner during a game how can u trust the product he makes, but more importantly, by buying the equipment made by the man of unfavorable character u are supporting that man. As AO members we all remember SP so i dont need to say more....

    But if it came to it, would u be able to push questionable morals aside for a good deal? If sp were around and u felt personally wronged by all their business practices in the past, but they offered u a full ride to play, would u accept? would u make other, excessive demands to strike a deal? or would u rather pay ur own way than represent them?

    I've been around the forum awhile, and know that many here arent that concerned with going pro, or being famous, they just love to play, which is fine. but if someone else was gonna pay for u to play for an extended amount of time, could u pass it up? think of how much u spend in a year on paintball supplies...every single cent, covered. special even across country? ur airfare is paid. entry to every event, paid....would it be enough? or would u demand more even tho they are the only ones offering it to u?

    Im very interested in seeing the responses...so lets get to it!
  • robander3
    Ramping is for the weak
    • Oct 2010
    • 223

    #2
    Well I'm at work and have finished all my engineering drawings for the week, I love being an intern

    Hmmm, The companies I don't like so much are SP, although I did buy a twistlock freak back from them and believe it or not I'm not a huge fan of planet eclipse (not the company itself, cuz IMO they're a really great company and help the sport out alot and bring lot of great new technology to the sport, its more of the lil punks who buy their guns and can't shoot the near side of a barn and have it on uncapped ramping, so I guess I just don't like people who miss-use Ego's but I like planet eclipse... )

    But lets say SP offered me an opportunity to go play pro ball, I use to play speedball when I was younger and was on a team and loved it, alot. And i was good too, now most of the fields around me are scenario type places so i don't get to play speedball much, so like wise i miss playing it. So in my case its kind of a lose-lose situation in a way. I get to do the type of game I love but use a shocker or impulse, or I can keep my dignity and use my emag but not play speedball (so i guess its not a huge lose after all)... So I'm not sure, if I could use my gun and they provide everything else but the gun I'd do it. But I would (not to sound high and mighty) most likely not accept it and just keep were I am. Plus my current field is a BYOP field and is $25 bucks for the weekend (yes $25 for both saturday and sunday play, not just one day) and all the air I want. All I need to do is buy paint from a local-ish pro shop.

    So all in all I wouldn't take the opportunity to play under SP (my chosen company IMO).

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    • kcombs9
      Registered User
      • Sep 2006
      • 908

      #3
      My self, I love playing and might have to stop cause of the cost, I would say yes so I could keep playing.

      But if SP was looking to sign me on I would assume they think I'm a good player and other teams/dealers would know that too so I would hit up other people to sign me on.

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      • MedicDVG
        Somebody call 911!
        • Jun 2004
        • 598

        #4
        If you scratch the surface on ANY large market paintball company, I am sure the dirt under your fingernails would be less then pleasant. "Corporate ethics" is one of the greatest oxymorons out there. There are those that don't like the practices of SP, KEE, Bob Long, Bud Orr, Rougefactor, or even the douche-bag field owner jacking his customers for $130/case of field paint only. All in all the business climate is what it is, and some will love you, some will hate you, and some will sue you. Good bad or indifferent, that is what it is.

        I don't know that having a CEO that wiped a hit will keep me from buying a product from a company. Basically show me a tournament player that HASN'T wiped or cheated somehow. That is more the institutional norm then not these days. But show me a company that steals designs, squashes creativity, sells out their employees, and then we may have something to talk about. Unfortunately, I would venture that those things could be identified again at just about every level of paintball equipment design and manufacture.
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        • Newt
          Darth Amphibian
          • May 2009
          • 450

          #5
          Good point, Medic. Fans of so called "business ethics" end up having neither business nor ethics.

          The first thing to do is always to take the problem to the man. When I feel I've been snubbed or treated with low character, you're going to hear about it. Chances are high that I've misinterpreted something or just didn't have the full story, so it's only right to give the other guy a chance to give his side of the story. If he throws it back or gives me flack, that's fine. Better to end the relationship now before we get into a real nightmare.

          Talk is cheap. Need money to buy whiskey.

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          • vim
            Registered User
            • Jun 2008
            • 14

            #6
            Well put MEDIC. You can add BigEvil and his MAGNUS products and those who associate with him to that list. I mostly avoid Automags.org and spend most of my forum browsing time over at MCB to avoid them. The owner of MCB fixes any issues over there much better than the mods do here.

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            • bound for glory
              retired bootboy
              • Sep 2004
              • 368

              #7
              if it was'nt for my son, i'd have been out long ago. played my first game in march of 1985 at skirmish in pa.(which i now live next to). if not for my boys love of the game, i'd be done. waaaay too many jackasses out there these days. i'm trying to get him interested in airsoft, but tbh, i would think the cheating and "jackassery" are much the same there as well...

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              • Loguzzzzzz
                Practice Target

                • Sep 2004
                • 2121

                #8
                Originally posted by vim
                Well put MEDIC. You can add BigEvil and his MAGNUS products and those who associate with him to that list. I mostly avoid Automags.org and spend most of my forum browsing time over at MCB to avoid them. The owner of MCB fixes any issues over there much better than the mods do here.
                Actually I find the mods on AO to be far more fair then the ones on MCB. If you are not one of Carter's clan your threads will get whacked for silly reasons while some of his group are allowed laitude.

                Opinons are like a-holes, everyone has one and they usually stink! That being said as adults we can just agree to disagree and move.

                As a person that does associate with BigEvil I believe that you are a little off base with your statements but then that is just my opninion and I have already stated what I think about opinions, I am sure mine only matters to me.

                I have to agree that one time whiping, although cheating, would not keep me from his sponsorship. It would have to be the level of Smart Parts to keep me from that. They have in many cases done irrepairable damage to the paintball industry. Smart Parts caused good companies such as AGD to stop producing products by demanding license fees. I am sure there are others that stopped production as well. There is no denying that Smart Parts produced some great products but their acrtions have robbed the industry of other manufacturers good products. That is just a shame.
                ......You know you want one!!

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                • cockerpunk
                  Haters Gonna Hate
                  • Sep 2004
                  • 1383

                  #9
                  just buy a rotor ... seriously
                  "because every vengeful cop with a lesbian daughter, is having a bad day, and looking for someone to blame"

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                  • Mongoose
                    VenomousDesigns.com

                    • Nov 2006
                    • 1593

                    #10
                    Originally posted by vim
                    Well put MEDIC. You can add BigEvil and his MAGNUS products and those who associate with him to that list. I mostly avoid Automags.org and spend most of my forum browsing time over at MCB to avoid them. The owner of MCB fixes any issues over there much better than the mods do here.
                    I have a bunch of the Magnus Frames........They are amazing

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                    • maniacmechanic
                      PrestonCoPaintball
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 3453

                      #11
                      Originally posted by vim
                      Well put MEDIC. You can add BigEvil and his MAGNUS products and those who associate with him to that list. I mostly avoid Automags.org and spend most of my forum browsing time over at MCB to avoid them. The owner of MCB fixes any issues over there much better than the mods do here.
                      How , because of 1 man & 1 product , can you condem a whole forum population ??

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                      • StygShore
                        Waterford, MI

                        • Aug 2002
                        • 2854

                        #12
                        Originally posted by vim
                        Well put MEDIC. You can add BigEvil and his MAGNUS products and those who associate with him to that list. I mostly avoid Automags.org and spend most of my forum browsing time over at MCB to avoid them. The owner of MCB fixes any issues over there much better than the mods do here.

                        Mildly offended by your statement regarding thos that associate with Big E and confused why Magnus products would be added to that "List" Most of the aftermarket stuff designed by 3rd party are simply adaptations of parts from another marker ( CCM Frame, Angel frame, 15 degree WGP adapters snatch grips etc ) If you never bought from someone who barrowed from another design, you wouldn't ever buy aftermarket mag parts.

                        As far as the work of the mods... if people online would get a little thicker skin and not be so butt hurt that someone has a different opinion or picks on them for their opinion the mods wouldnt have to work so damned hard in the first place.

                        To be somewhat on topic - As far as SP - they did their best to turn paintball into a business and not fun anymore :P - I have issues with the way they ran their business practices and what they have done after filing bankruptcy ( GoG mostly ) I dont really have an issue with any other vendors


                        Styg
                        Last edited by StygShore; 08-17-2011, 01:31 PM.
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                        • Ando
                          Magusmaximus
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 4144

                          #13
                          He has no clue what he's even talking about. The Magnus line was a Tuna project. Keep to your word and browsing your way back to MCB douche bag.


                          But I digress. Back in my prime, I would have never sold out to the like of SP. I have no issues with any of the other manufactures

                          Originally posted by cockerpunk
                          just buy a rotor ... seriously
                          Bazing
                          Last edited by Ando; 08-17-2011, 01:33 PM.
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                          • Dirge
                            BIGEVILONLINE

                            • May 2004
                            • 500

                            #14
                            Originally posted by vim
                            Well put MEDIC. You can add BigEvil and his MAGNUS products and those who associate with him to that list. I mostly avoid Automags.org and spend most of my forum browsing time over at MCB to avoid them. The owner of MCB fixes any issues over there much better than the mods do here.
                            How would know? You go there even less.




                            Back to topic:

                            As my current financial state is good, I can say that I would stay away from companies with questionable ethics.

                            Should I hit hard times and still want to play, accepting a deal for a chunk of my soul may be contemplated. Would have to be a really good deal though.............
                            Last edited by Dirge; 08-17-2011, 04:11 PM.
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                            • Pudgey51
                              Fat kid approved!
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 368

                              #15
                              ok guys lets bring it back on topic....


                              this isnt flame whoever has wronged u...and while most are defending some individuals i brought this here to AO because u guys are known to be the more mature ones, now show it....dont bring it down to pbn status...

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