The E-Mag Enhancer

[Maghog]

Alright guys, I've been working on this concept since the beginning of the year. In theory, it has to work, but something's missing. I'm not planning on doing any production or anything, but I'd just love to see it work. I'm willing to send this model out to someone who's up for extensive testing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LNBm9kYLLc

Sorry about the video quality and the way it's shot, but I couldn't do it any different.
Let's hear what you think.
Dan@Triggernomics

[river031403]

great

looks great would that also work for rt valves like the one you guys tried a few years back? im willing to test

[zondo]

I guess I'm missing what you are gaining from doing this...

Lighter pull? Shorter pull? More adjustable?

Also, have you seen if this works for the mech side of the mag?

I think if you moved some of the paper towels it would be easier for me to give you a better answer as I can see how the trigger interacts with the marker

[Maghog]

Okay let me explain what I imagined happening. The lower(opposing magnets) create the "pull" force by pushing against one another. The upper magnets create the return force. If the pull and return force are equally strong enough, it must at some point cause the back part of the trigger to quiver back and forth.
It's not about a lighter pull, but more about trying to get the e-mode to go crazy. It might even have interesting effects on the Hybrid mode as well.
I'm not really sure what I expect from this, it's just one of those things I wanted to try. I don't have working gun over here so I can't do more than what I've shown. As far as the paper towels go, they don't hide anything that make a difference.
I will have two prototypes of this that I'll send to two different people when they are completely assembled. There will be a few requirements though.

-knowledge and understanding of the e-mag system
-willingness to create a video of the process
-ability to make small modifications
-and most important-want to have fun with this

I have no goal here. I'm not really in the trigger making business anymore. I just think it's an idea that has potential. Maybe one of you brains could think of a way to make it better. I can still modify the second piece considerably so let's have it!
Dan

[RST]

[Drix]

If it's your idea to make a perpetual motion trigger this will fail, it may however give you a few shots of bounce if your hinge swings feely enough and your magnets are properly oriented. In all though, I'm not sure that this will work as you wish it to.

[MANN]

something you will want to check is that the bottom magnets will not mess with the hes sensor. seems that I remember that sensor being very finicky. It looks like an awesome idea tho.

disclaimer: I have no need or want for an emag trigger.

[hunter100]

You are just lengthening the distance that the return magnet acts upon. If you use a spring analogy, all you have done is stack two springs where previously there was one. Is it going to change the feel of the trigger? Yes. Is it going to change how the trigger behaves? No. You could do the same thing just by reducing the magnet strength, which wouldn't require the extra component.

[Gunga]

Achieved what you're trying to do 10 years ago. A bit different approach and a lot less complicated than your setup. Had to detune it cause it would start going off just from the bounce of walking around while carrying the gun vertically by the battery pack.

[RedderHokes]

Achieved what you're trying to do 10 years ago. A bit different approach and a lot less complicated than your setup. Had to detune it cause it would start going off just from the bounce of walking around while carrying the gun vertically by the battery pack.

Oh my god, it's Gunga.

[kcombs9]

Achieved what you're trying to do 10 years ago. A bit different approach and a lot less complicated than your setup. Had to detune it cause it would start going off just from the bounce of walking around while carrying the gun vertically by the battery pack.

whats the saying? pic or it didn't happen, or this thread is useless without pictures!

[captian pinky]

Guy did this in Europe I think it was the guy that helpless design the xmags he used a spring Ina cylinder for. The rt pros didn't make more than a protoype

[Bunny]

Anyone interested in testing the Enhancer on an e-mag? I recently moved and organized all of my paintball parts and realized I forgot about the Maghog enhancer trigger I have. I promised Dan I would be able to test it, but I just don't have the time/energy to. I was wondering if any AOers want to help test and videotape the enhancer trigger set-up on an e-mag.

**FOUND A FEW TEST SUBJECTS**

Below is a write-up Maghog did about the trigger...

This particular trigger has a small screw connecting the two hinging parts. I initially intended for it to be a lockout screw, turning it into a "normal" E-Mag trigger. I would advise against doing this though, because it's probably going to be to weak to put up with the hammering of the sear rod in mech and hybrid mode. It would work if you just use it in E-mode, but then, you'll be missing out on all the fun!

As it stands, the Enhancer design is extremely finnicky, and very difficult to get dialed in just right. This is why I don't sell it. It's a combination of the right spring, the right pressure input, and a very tender trigger finger. I set up three fully functioning Enhancer back around 2001, just before I left for Germany, and when they ran, they were impeccable...nothing like what you see in the prototype video. They just screamed. The sad thing was that they couldn't just be taken out of one Mag and then put in another. THere wopuld always be issues. I would recommend picking one certain E-Mag, and keeping the trigger for that gun only. I found that trying different types of springs made a difference, and if one felt too stiff, I'd just clip it down bit by bit until it felt right.

Of course, some springs don't work at all. You will really need a lot of time, patience, air, and above all, a good crisp edged sear and bolt. They don't have to be brand new, and I'm not even positive that it makes a difference, but I felt that having a rounded bolt/sear connection led to miscycling more often than with a sharper edged set. The really nice feature on my E-Mag triggers is the adjustable Magnets, and on this Enhancer, both of the Magnets are adjustable, allowing you to dial into some pretty tight trigger pulls in E-mode. I'm really interested to see how this all works out. Alas, I have never tried one of these triggers on an E-Mag before.

Pictures will be posted later on tonight.

[cockerpunk]

this is an OLD AS DIRT idea. basically the spring on an RT trigger idea.

[wetwrks]

I am willing to try it out. PMd