The E-Mag Enhancer

[Maghog]

this is an OLD AS DIRT idea. basically the spring on an RT trigger idea.

No one ever said the idea was new punk. I made the first of my enhancer triggers in 1999. (dirt is much older, I know) I had heard of other versions already, and I never claimed to be the first to come up with it. You might think it's uninteresting what with all the new super e-modes guns offer, but the fact remains that a mechanical trigger like this can be unbelievably fun the shoot with.
Dan@Triggernomics

[Bunny]

Thanks for the messages guys! I'll post some pictures of the triggers tonight.

Just remember, you will have to document and post videos

[cockerpunk]

No one ever said the idea was new punk. I made the first of my enhancer triggers in 1999. (dirt is much older, I know) I had heard of other versions already, and I never claimed to be the first to come up with it. You might think it's uninteresting what with all the new super e-modes guns offer, but the fact remains that a mechanical trigger like this can be unbelievably fun the shoot with.
Dan@Triggernomics

oh for sure, i had a spring my first RT in about 2001, very fun gun to play with.

with an emag im not sure why you would want it, you can run it in full auto already ...

[knownothingmags]

oh for sure, i had a spring my first RT in about 2001, very fun gun to play with.

with an emag im not sure why you would want it, you can run it in full auto already ...

its what mag hog does, he makes interesting peices with function. this item has yet to be confirmed to function, but the idea is great,

magnets = smoother then springs.

and compared to a few on here who think a dremel looks good, which most of the time it doesnt, his work is done by hand, and ends up with a great smooth feel.

[luke]

this is an OLD AS DIRT idea. basically the spring on an RT trigger idea.

So what?

[hill160881]

Makes me wish I was set up to do some testing as I have an Emag.

[athomas]

It won't work unless there are changing forces. Since both magnets have fixed magnetic fields the back trigger will just find equilibrium and stay there if the front trigger is held constant at the firing point. All that happens with the two magnets in that orientation is that the trigger will be stiff at the start and end of the pull but will get slightly easier in the middle of the pull. If the trigger rod is allowed to hit the back of the front trigger, you would have the ultimate rt trigger because your finger wouldn't have as much damping effect. You would only need one set of magnets to achieve it.

[Maghog]

It won't work unless there are changing forces. Since both magnets have fixed magnetic fields the back trigger will just find equilibrium and stay there if the front trigger is held constant at the firing point. All that happens with the two magnets in that orientation is that the trigger will be stiff at the start and end of the pull but will get slightly easier in the middle of the pull. If the trigger rod is allowed to hit the back of the front trigger, you would have the ultimate rt trigger because your finger wouldn't have as much damping effect. You would only need one set of magnets to achieve it.

You are referring to the last model I displayed in the video with the hopes of the magnets creating a perpetual motion effect. That trigger is with someone who also wanted to test it but hasn't gotten to it yet.
The trigger that bunny has is actually a e-mag trigger using a spring to create the enhancer effect. For whoever does test this trigger, you need to try different pressure input along with different springs. Once you find the right combination, it will fly.
Have fun!
Dan

[athomas]

Even with a spring, anything with opposing forces will find equilibrium unless one or both of the forces is changing.

[Maghog]

Even with a spring, anything with opposing forces will find equilibrium unless one or both of the forces is changing.

This is true, and it's also the way the RT valve works. The return force is stronger than the pull force on the trigger. By having a spring in there that lies between the two, the system basically activates itself over and over.
Dan

[athomas]

The RT works because there are changing forces. There is more force pushing back during the return than there is during the pull. That is because of the regulator. If there are a permanent magnet and a constant spring, then the force of each is always there. Unless one of the forces changes (the magnet is an electo-magnet, or the spring is augmented by a cocked ram) then the only changing force is your trigger finger just like any other trigger. You can't get energy from nothing. It needs to come from somewhere. Either is comes from your finger, or it comes from stored energy in a battery or air supply. In the case of a magnet, the magnetism is constant so two opposing or attracting magnets will always push back or attract with the exact same amount of force as the object pushing them together. The spring sits at equilibrium until it is compressed. It only compresses and stores the amount of energy of the force that is compressing it. If a pair of magnets are opposing and pushing against a spring, they will only oppose each other until they get far enough apart so that the force of opposition is equal to the compression force of the spring at that location. At that point you have equilibrium. Unless some other force is turning on and off there will be no back and forth movement. In the case of a trigger; if your finger pushes the trigger the extra force will compress the spring farther by the amount of force your finger exerts. Once you release the trigger, the trigger follow your finger back and will return to equilibrium where the magnet and spring forces are equal.

If the setup is a retro mag, then the magnet and spring will remove the error of your finger from the equation. If it is an emag, then it won't work as expected because there are no external forces acting on it other than your finger.

[Maghog]

This is all true. A trigger like this would do nothing in e-mode, but the e-mag has a mechanical mode, and the real fun could start in hybrid mode. I've never tried one of these triggers on an e-mag, but I'm sure there would be an interesting result.

[knownothingmags]

This is all true. A trigger like this would do nothing in e-mode, but the e-mag has a mechanical mode, and the real fun could start in hybrid mode. I've never tried one of these triggers on an e-mag, but I'm sure there would be an interesting result.

i would love to test and and see how it rips in the different setting.

question,
is there a slot in the back of the trigger? so that the sear doesnt get stuck. or is the trigger not close enough to spec to a real trigger back that it doesnt matter?

[Maghog]

I don't know what you mean by a slow, but the trigger is made pretty close to AGD specs. I'm still waiting for bunny to post pics.

[knownothingmags]

I don't know what you mean by a slow, but the trigger is made pretty close to AGD specs. I'm still waiting for bunny to post pics.

here is the slot i refer too.right below the saftey leg and above the back magnet.

when i tested the emag triggers luke made i had to check for sear lockup.
if the slot is in place you have no worries on this lockup.

i know your work is amazing i was just asking.

i still need a gold trigger from you some day, one that looks like it came from hell itself. would be great just gota save the money for it.