Integrated Rail Gripframe?

[splat15k]

Even IF the weight didn't change, the weight distribution would be different, which may be an attractive benefit for those who don't want to use a stainless barrel to achieve the balance they want.

[Ando]

I would think it would save some weight. (Reg on X-valve + Foregrip) - Foregrip mounted reg = Weight Savings.

Again...I don't need a foregrip to shoot it though. Lets play devil's advocate here. Lets do this on a classic valve and all I do is change out the back reg with the back half of a Air American Vigilante Regulator. Now where's your wight savings? The back half of that AA Reg is probably the same weight as the cap alone.

Capping the back would potentially shorten the backside of the gun up, for those of us who tend to hold our guns up to our faces.

Hmmm...Don't we....already do that? Does the inch you save make it any better to aim down the barrel? Hell, with that logic your shorting yourself. That's one whole inch further way you have between the marker to your opponent

And I think the weight savings would be pretty decent considering an aluminum cap by itself should weigh much less than a full aluminum housing which includes 2 steel springs, velocity adjuster, and a regulator nut.

So you removed the back aluminum housing and are now installing another aluminum housing with everything you just mentioned and placing it on the front of the marker Oh...and lets not forget that cap you just installed too.

If you look at my example above, it does. Granted, it's only 3.5 oz

Congratulations, you saved everyone 3 1/4 slices of cheese (weight equivalent). Hell lets round up to 4 slices just to be on the safe heavy side (everyone run to your fridge and feel the weight savings) and for what...to bring in a whole bunch of variable and issues no one's going to be able to help you with? Send a setup like that to AGD or Tuna. They would toss it back in the box and tell you "you can't fix stupid". Seriously, NO ONE will be able to tell the difference between that setup and a regular one.

Like I said before, the cool factor is there but that's about it.

[luke]

[Carnage reigns]

Again...I don't need a foregrip to shoot it though. Lets play devil's advocate here. Lets do this on a classic valve and all I do is change out the back reg with the back half of a Air American Vigilante Regulator. Now where's your wight savings? The back half of that AA Reg is probably the same weight as the cap alone.

Congratulations, you saved everyone 3 1/4 slices of cheese (weight equivalent). Hell lets round up to 4 slices just to be on the safe heavy side (everyone run to your fridge and feel the weight savings) and for what...to bring in a whole bunch of variable and issues no one's going to be able to help you with? Send a setup like that to AGD or Tuna. They would toss it back in the box and tell you "you can't fix stupid". Seriously, NO ONE will be able to tell the difference between that setup and a regular one.

Like I said before, the cool factor is there but that's about it.

I use a X-Valve and a foregrip so I can realize some weight savings that maybe you can't. Maybe this is not a mod that fits you but you can't deny a weight savings exist for people who use a setup different than yours.

[GoatBoy]

Again...I don't need a foregrip to shoot it though. Lets play devil's advocate here. Lets do this on a classic valve and all I do is change out the back reg with the back half of a Air American Vigilante Regulator. Now where's your wight savings? The back half of that AA Reg is probably the same weight as the cap alone.

The AA Vigilante back stlll has a adjustment screw and the brass piston in order for it to seal up, so there's still more weight than necessary. Cap would have neither.

Hmmm...Don't we....already do that? Does the inch you save make it any better to aim down the barrel? Hell, with that logic your shorting yourself. That's one whole inch further way you have between the marker to your opponent

Not on a really short marker setup. With a 13ci (or possibly 7oz CO2) on a no-drop, the back half of the reg occasionally hits my mask/camera. The extra 1" on the back really would actually make the difference for me. And that's with an Intelliframe; a grip frame with less sweep would be worse. And worse on top of that would be a Y-grip or a Z-grip, both of which push the reg back even further.

So that 1" on the back is not negligible in some setups.

So you removed the back aluminum housing and are now installing another aluminum housing with everything you just mentioned and placing it on the front of the marker Oh...and lets not forget that cap you just installed too.

Right, but what I install on the front will be CO2 tolerant. There's no reason to pay the tax for all the meat in the back twice if what I want is on the front, and the back is just dead weight. I'd rather spend the weight budget on something else.

Congratulations, you saved everyone 3 1/4 slices of cheese (weight equivalent). Hell lets round up to 4 slices just to be on the safe heavy side (everyone run to your fridge and feel the weight savings) and for what...to bring in a whole bunch of variable and issues no one's going to be able to help you with? Send a setup like that to AGD or Tuna. They would toss it back in the box and tell you "you can't fix stupid". Seriously, NO ONE will be able to tell the difference between that setup and a regular one.

I'll happily take that weight difference. I already am running a gutted AIR with an aluminum AA back on my gun, so I obviously will go to such lengths. I've never sent anything to AGD or Tuna, so there's no need to invoke them. The only person that needs to tell the difference between the two is me, and I'm saying I would be able to tell the difference, both in weight and length.

Your same argument can be made for all individual weight savings. Individually they're not much, but it's the aggregate that winds up making the difference.

[BigEvil]

ASA is something that's out there... I forget who makes it.

MM is full length ULE body. The angle is weird and it looks short since its on a RT sorta-length set up. The grip is also a bit long. (and removable). The grip was based off of the ones HSW used to make for the SHocker and Impulse back in the day. They look like crap, but feel great.

[TimmyJay]

Lets move the cap'd valve comments over to this thread which seems to be ignored....

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=261126

[OPBN]

Just for reference, the cap that I currently have that is for a classic valve weighs in at .45 oz.

As for foregrips, every single Mag I have has a foregrip. Who the heck runs a Mag without a foregrip?

[TimmyJay]

I added a poll. I thought it would be a good idea. If you agree, then vote to voice your opinion and I am sure someone will be willing to mill it!

My thought on ebay was to redistribute the winnings back to those that didn't win/bid, but put up the investment. Or put the "winning" funds toward another project idea. It could work as a starter fund to add more variety to this Mag Mag World.

[Ando]

ASA is something that's out there... I forget who makes it

Hyper Sport Works or something along those lines. I've wanted one for my 4x4 since I got it NIB. Think they're called HypAir Fore Grips.

SO NICE!!!

Lets move the cap'd valve comments over to this thread which seems to be ignored....

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=261126

I'm not fighting over a couple of slices of cheese...They can have it with their WINE!!!!

I'm screwing with you OPBN... I <3 U

[luke]

Who makes the ASA?

[Ando]

Who makes the ASA?

ROFL My bad

It's a Check-it Unimount i think

[renie]

Something 'we' have been working on for over a year.



Yes, its an electro. Yes, the front grip comes off and you can replace it with anything that can be mounted to a mag rail.

It will be altered to fit P8nt's new Universal Board when they are available. Im not building anything else with UTBs since they are going away.

I also have to find someone to make the damn thing.

I can make that for you if u want

[GoatBoy]

[BigEvil]

I can make that for you if u want

I appreciate the offer brother, but I will have to respectfully decline. Since I cannot do this type of CAD work, the couple of plans that I have cost me dearly in one way or another and I plan on being very cautious with whom I share them with.

With the current attitudes in paintball these days, especially here on AO in regards to what is 'public domain' and what is not, I would most likely NEVER use anyone in paintball to make something like this for me. I would be afraid that before I knew it, someone would decide to start either using my drawings or pulling specs from them and start competing with me.