Disgusted?

[OPBN]

Can you argue the points or answer the very clear questions, or is back handed mud slinging all you got? Its not a conspiracy theory, i am asking questions about the OFFICIAL narrative not matching the eye witness accounts and there own records. But go ahead, use that label "conspiracy theorist" like that is all you need to discredit others when they ask a question or point out the obvious. If there are answers that make sense then great and it was just as they said.

I'm sure if you posted up exactly what discrepanceies you are finding I could find correlating explanations, but then someone would find some tiny detail to nitpick and it would go on forever like this, kinda like the 911 conspiracy crap that has been going around for years. There is no satisfying people that want there to be something wrong. You can't convince paranoids that there is nothing to be paranoid about because then tney think you are out to get them. See the basic problem here?

[saintnoir]

The base problem is people go crazy pure and simple if they want to kill you they will try.
Look up the Akihabara incident want to go on a mass killing spree rent a truck and run over people

[hill160881]

I'm sure if you posted up exactly what discrepanceies you are finding I could find correlating explanations, but then someone would find some tiny detail to nitpick and it would go on forever like this, kinda like the 911 conspiracy crap that has been going around for years. There is no satisfying people that want there to be something wrong. You can't convince paranoids that there is nothing to be paranoid about because then tney think you are out to get them. See the basic problem here?

These are not little discrepancies! Again you go after the people asking the question. lol here they are again.


-How did an unemployed grad student get 30 grand in hard to acquire weapons and gear? What money? How in such a short time?
-Why with his armaments did he wait at his car to be taken into custody? He could have taken many cops with him.
-Did the door of the theater get blown off like the official account says or or was it opened by an accomplice like many bystanders stated?
-Why does the police radio records clearly show they were looking for two described shooters/assailants when the official story is he did it alone?
-Why did he send a plan of the shooting to a teacher before the shooting? Makes no sense.
-Why do this then tell the cops you rigged the apartment to blow? What, he now decides not to kill?
-Why does he know so little about the joker if he is imitating him? Red hair? Its green.
-Why is he so messed up he cant speak and shows all the signs of being druged out of his mind?
-Why did they have a scripted story of the whole event to tell the public when it had not yet been investigated? Big one here! You dont give details out until the investigation is finished, unless you want a media trial.
Is it a coincidence that the UN gun ban treaty is set to be signed by Obummer and this happens or is it not letting a good tragedy go to waste? This would make semi autos and hand guns illegal.

These are not little discrepancies. lol If the offical story is totally different from those who were there then I ask questions. Its not like they got his hair color wrong or his name misspelled. They got the events of the incident totally different from some of the whiteness. Why? if there is an explanation i will except it unless it is as ridicules as to deify the laws of physics.

Also people who are historically stupid but think they know it well, really need to pick up a book. History shows us what is to come. And government does the same thing every time throughout history. But you are right, this time government is good and wont be corrupted and do all those things in history we read about with horror.

Another thing i think is funny. You dont even apply the word paranoid accurately. Asking questions is not paranoia, again it is vigilance.

[hill160881]

Here is a test

Is this a conspiracy theory or an illegal government testing program to see if they could program people?

Carefull, this was a "conspiracy theory" even after the release of 20 thousand documents pertaining to the program. Only after a congressional investagation was it accepted as fact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

I can just here you opbn telling me how stupid i was for believing in such utter nonsense and that our government would never smuggle convicted Nazi war criminals here to continue there experiments. OOPS

Perhaps operation North Woods. JFK put a stop to this and we all know what happened next. lol The magic bullet that changed direction 7 times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Ya I am paranoid but the government has been caught red handed many times doing stuff like this.

Does the government make **** up to use for political reasons. lolol,,bahahaha That a conspiracy nutt job theory. OOPS again How about those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? I remember the congressional testimony where they were showing the satellite evidence before the war. All lies to start a 2 trillion dollar war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

There are many many many examples I can show that are PROVEN but if you are determined to believe America is above the kind of corruption that has led to the fall of EVERY great power in history then so be it. Maybe you are right and we have evolved beyond this. snigger, snigger, laugh, laugh.

Its called historical president and there are enough declassified files that prove people like OPBN wrong, but once it has happened the ones involved are either dead or to old to care and the youth are to stupid to see where it all leads. I use historical fact and the history of every world powers fall to see what is happening and what is to come. Name one major power that did not fall due to corruption and greed.

[hill160881]

Nope*the current administration would never brainwash us about guns. "Brainwash"-to effect a radical change in the ideas and beliefs of (a person), esp by methods based on isolation, sleeplessness, hunger, extreme discomfort, pain, and the alternation of kindness and cruelty


Our current administration is honest and would not stage anything involving guns. lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

[OPBN]

Again, google these exact questions and there are multiple bloggers with logical answers. Crazy people do crazy things. Eyewitness accounts in a dark, smoky chaotic scene are sketchy at best. I refuse to put anymore thought into this than what already has. I liken this to a discussion on the existence of the Easter Bunny. Have fun with it. The answers are out there, but you and your kind will never accept them because you choose to live in a world where the government is out to get you. Attempting to argue with paranoia and irrationality is pointless.

Watch your back man!

[hill160881]

I will call your bluff and ask you to post a few links to those answers. I doubt you looked up a thing.
I found only two answers and they are based on conjecture, so no evidence. My questions are based on eye whiteness accounts. lol

[OPBN]

I will call your bluff and ask you to post a few links to those answers. I doubt you looked up a thing.
I found only two answers and they are based on conjecture, so no evidence. My questions are based on eye whiteness accounts. lol

Right, because eyewitness accounts from people that are possibly in shock from being shot at in a dark smoky theater as they are fleeing for their lives in what i would imagine was the most chaotic hell any of these people has ever been in is certainly going to be 100% accurate. Really? I was recently at an event where a car drove into the crowd and injured 30 people. We were there and none of us had the same story and there were dozens of varying stories about what happened and every single one of them was from and eyewitness. There have been studies that show how unreliable eyewitnesses are, especially in situtations where there is chaos. So check any of those off of your list that relied on eyewitness accounts.

Before you doubt my story above: http://thecourier.com/Issues/2012/Ju...012,Jun,17&c=n

Do your own google search. It'e easy, just type in "conspiracy Aurora". I've put more thought into this already then it deserves.

-How did an unemployed grad student get 30 grand in hard to acquire weapons and gear? What money? How in such a short time?
-Why with his armaments did he wait at his car to be taken into custody? He could have taken many cops with him.
-Did the door of the theater get blown off like the official account says or or was it opened by an accomplice like many bystanders stated?
-Why does the police radio records clearly show they were looking for two described shooters/assailants when the official story is he did it alone?
-Why did he send a plan of the shooting to a teacher before the shooting? Makes no sense.
-Why do this then tell the cops you rigged the apartment to blow? What, he now decides not to kill?
-Why does he know so little about the joker if he is imitating him? Red hair? Its green.
-Why is he so messed up he cant speak and shows all the signs of being druged out of his mind?
-Why did they have a scripted story of the whole event to tell the public when it had not yet been investigated? Big one here! You dont give details out until the investigation is finished, unless you want a media trial.

Every single one of these can be explained simply by:
1. Eyewitness accounts suck as already discussed. Accept this fact. Quick google reference:http://agora.stanford.edu/sjls/Issue...r&tversky.htma http://www.apa.org/monitor/2011/12/eyewitness.aspx http://www.simplypsychology.org/eyew...testimony.html
2. HE IS BATS..T CRAZY!!! Crazy people do crazy things. This is like trying to make sense of a paranoid schizophrenics ramblings. You cannot expect an irrational person to do rational things. Just because he is acting wierd or doing things that are illogicaL, DOES NOT MAKE IT A CONSPIRACY. Perhaps him giving up rather than go out in a blaze of glory was the one non-crazy thing he did. So for one moment of lucidity, and mercy we now have a conspiracy? Really?

You keep asking for factual refudiation of the above questions, when the above questions are as based in as much conjecture as the answers you ignore. No one except this nutbag knows what is going on in his brain and he may not even. Which is typical of conspiracy theories. There is no rock solid proof in any of the above questions. NONE.

I'll call your bluff. Show me one piece of evidence based in fact or evidence. Show me a video of multiple assailants. Show me a toxicology report showing that the suspect is now being drugged. Show me one person who is currently working at the jail that can verify that this guy is being drugged or hanlded. Give me one person involved that is speaking out and had irrefutable proof. Give me one taped conversation or video of the planning session by the government to set this guy up. Show me records of his personal finances and any proof that someone purchased those weapons for him. How about video from a gun store showing someone falsely buying these serial numbered guns using his identity, but not being him. Show us one shred of real unrefutable evidence. An operation of this magnitude, much like the reported 911 conspiracy, would have taken 100's if not thousands of people to all not only participate, but keep hushed up afterwards. Find one.

[OPBN]

if you were being shot at wouldn't you defend yourself against that?

Not sure. I would like to think that I would go all Rambo or Clint on the guy, disarm him and ask him if he felt lucky. More than likely I would cower behind something solid and blind fire at him like the first time I played paintball. I've never been shot at and dare say I would most likely duck and cover which is a pretty typical reaction.

[mostpeople]

Not sure. I would like to think that I would go all Rambo or Clint on the guy, disarm him and ask him if he felt lucky. More than likely I would cower behind something solid and blind fire at him like the first time I played paintball. I've never been shot at and dare say I would most likely duck and cover which is a pretty typical reaction.

How would you blindfire if you werent carrying a concealed weapon? (Which is illegal in Aurora Colorado btw).

I think my point has been made, its all food for thought. Guns are not the problem, the people are.

As as aside, looks like I stirred up a hornets nest here, job = done!

[OPBN]

How would you blindfire if you werent carrying a concealed weapon? (Which is illegal in Aurora Colorado btw).

I think my point has been made, its all food for thought. Guns are not the problem, the people are.

As as aside, looks like I stirred up a hornets nest here, job = done!

As I understood it, you were asking me if I wouldnt defend myself if I was armed. If I was unarmed and being shot at, I along with any intelligent person, would run like hell.

[Frizzle Fry]

Our current administration is honest and would not stage anything involving guns. lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

This is Obamas Iran-Contra and Bay of Pigs rolled into one... Why isn't anybody talking about it anymore?

I'm not trying to draw a correlation, but what the media is talking about are Bain Capitals miraculously newly surfaced tax records that state Romney was the CEO long after he left any active role in the company (which independent and impartial investigations have proven to be completely inaccurate) and days later this shooting in Colorado...

I lived in MA for the entirety of Romneys time here and don't really care for either candidate really, but the size and scope of the events and actions the media is willing to distort and ignore to preserve the current presidents image is getting a little silly.

[mostpeople]

As I understood it, you were asking me if I wouldnt defend myself if I was armed. If I was unarmed and being shot at, I along with any intelligent person, would run like hell.

[SkyBoySurfer]

I would suggest anyone who wants to know more about this look into a project called MKultra.

[bound for glory]

many, many moons ago there was a piece done on our local news about this paramilitary group in New Milford Pa. Then it was on the Mortan Downey show and it stated how people where coming from all over the east coast to train here and possibly over throw the government.

We now know and love this place as E.M.R. We also know Blue could be the ruler of the free world but it would cut into his having fun time so that was never an option. That was almost 20 years ago and people still don't get it and never will. Almost everyone in this country is crazy now anyway so maybe it will bring more people to the sport! Who knows.

well, if you know much about EMR, you may not know too much about wolfs lair. i played there often and it was indeed visited ofted by all sorts of nazi types. a-town posse, DMS, stroud stompers(the crew i was in) were early homers up there. funkhouser liked these types and did'nt mind if things got a bit violent from time to time. underage drinking, fights, threats...yeah, it was wild.
i remember one big game where the all americans were playing the a-town posse(this is'nt a team name. in the '80's it was a crew of white power skins from allentown) on rommels trap. very nearly saw one of the gardner boys get a boot party because he did'nt call himself out after being hit several times. they were run out of there.
oh, if we could just do things like that, today...