High end / low end / mid end

[OPBN]

dont hit back and move on. i want input. if you dont a speedball set up then we can use a concept field a boneyard

My paintball dollars are limited ATM, so I consider my input not so relevant. While I love the idea of getting together with like minded paintballers that appreciate the relevance and/or history of older markers. I'd love to see some guys pulling out some truly old school stuff and having a go at it. Making it into a tournament IMO, makes it more about winning and less about showcasing the markers.

But again, my traveling budget is nearly negative right now so..

[Lohman446]

I'm going to make a new thread on mech only games and why I do not think they are the answer and move my discussion to that thread.

[BTAutoMag]

My paintball dollars are limited ATM, so I consider my input not so relevant. While I love the idea of getting together with like minded paintballers that appreciate the relevance and/or history of older markers. I'd love to see some guys pulling out some truly old school stuff and having a go at it. Making it into a tournament IMO, makes it more about winning and less about showcasing the markers.

But again, my traveling budget is nearly negative right now so..

being poor doesnt make you stupid and I respect you. so any input you have is worth your time to me

[OPBN]

I'm going to make a new thread on mech only games and why I do not think they are the answer and move my discussion to that thread.

Sorry for the threadjack, guess I found the Mech only more interesting. lol

As for low/mid/high I really don't give it so much thought anymore. I know that I will most likely never spend $1k+ on a marker unless it comes with an oral gratification device on the side or I totally step out of playing and just start collecting. Neither of which I see happening anytime soon. I also find the line being blurred since the prices of used highends rapidly comes down into the mid range within a short amount of time these days. I would still consider an Ego9,10 or whatever a relatively high end, even though they now fall into mid range pricing.

[Lohman446]

Sorry for the threadjack, guess I found the Mech only more interesting. lol

As for low/mid/high I really don't give it so much thought anymore. I know that I will most likely never spend $1k+ on a marker unless it comes with an oral gratification device on the side or I totally step out of playing and just start collecting. Neither of which I see happening anytime soon. I also find the line being blurred since the prices of used highends rapidly comes down into the mid range within a short amount of time these days. I would still consider an Ego9,10 or whatever a relatively high end, even though they now fall into mid range pricing.

LOL - I have not been around enough lately for anyone to realize this but my ability to lead a discussion off topic is incredible .

That being said I think this particular discussion is worty of having its own thread.

[BTAutoMag]

all I want is input on what you want in a mech only tourney

[Lohman446]

all I want is input on what you want in a mech only tourney

Fair enough: limited paint. Mech only / limited paint would intrigue me

[BTAutoMag]

lol, would you drive 4 hours to watch it

[Lohman446]

To watch no. Paintball is incredibly boring to watch. To play - maybe

[BTAutoMag]

But Q-loaders suck so bad. They're finicky, unreliable, fragile, hard on paint, a pain to reload both on-gun and also between games, and their capacity is too limited.

Basically, everything we've read about the Q-loader from really skilled operators.

So they really should be no threat in a mech-only game.

Amirite?



Edit: I went fishing around for some A5 gameplay videos as it's been one of those curiosities for me and ran across this little gem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65ro_IfPv1g

Man, I would not want to face that guy on the field. No way. His A5 is AMAZING. It shoots so fast it looks like the paint is literally dripping out of his barrel.

PS thats an e grip

[Freedy500]

In that case, a Tippmann A5 RT is going to be the speed king unless someone brings a Q-loaded X-valve'd Mag.

At your service

http://i.imgur.com/h3ZYI.jpg

1100 psi output by the way. I only RT when I desperately need it though. I usually try and stay under the radar

But Q-loaders suck so bad. They're finicky, unreliable, fragile, hard on paint, a pain to reload both on-gun and also between games, and their capacity is too limited.
Basically, everything we've read about the Q-loader from really skilled operators.

So they really should be no threat in a mech-only game.

I beg to differ. I have never had a problem that wasn't user error. I have also never chopped paint in it because of weak paint only because I was being an idiot. And they are very tough. I put them through a ton of stress and it holds up great, and it only takes me a good 3-5 seconds to reload at the most during game and for the pre-load it takes a good 10+ seconds to reload depending on whether I have to refill the hopper or not. I believe that most people in the AO community would do great with the Q but it simply does not fit their needs and style of play well. They are a great design and product so do not say they suck. Simply realize that they are not for a lot of people.

You dont have to be "skilled" with the Qloader. You simply have to know how it works. Which I didn't find difficult as I always learn the operation of everything I buy. We should all know how a basic Automag valve works. Just because you know what O-rings to replace and what to do with the valve doesn't mean your skilled with it.

Most people are just use to the ease of use of using a normal hopper where you just dump paint in it and let it do its thing along with replacing batteries every so often.

I consider myself a significant threat at times because if you look at my mag' (link above) imagine someone who knows how to use a mag and a Q well using that with a high output pressure. I can RT like Zak Vetter with the fastest loading system on the market out there and shoot or turn around any angle with no profile. All you see is my barrel and my mask so in a way I could one of the most dangerous people on the field. Thats just in theory, I am not really that good. The Q is good but nothing is perfect you have just got to give it a lot of patience and attention to get used to it.

/end rant/

[knownothingmags]

At your service

http://i.imgur.com/h3ZYI.jpg

1100 psi output by the way. I only RT when I really need it though. Like last man standing desperation sorta need.



I beg to differ. I believe that most people in the AO community would do great with the Q but it simply does not fir their needs and style of play well. They are a great design in product so do not say they suck. Simply realize that they are not for a lot of people.

[QUOTE/]Basically, everything we've read about the Q-loader from really skilled operators.

You dont have to be "skilled" with the Qloader. You simply have to know how it works. Which I didn't find difficult as I always learn the operation of everything a buy. We should all know how a basic Automag valve works. Just because you know what O-rings to replace and what to do with the valve doesn't mean your skilled with it.

Most people are just use to the ease of use of using a normal hopper where you just dump paint in it and let it do its thing along with replacing batteries every so often.



I consider myself a significant because if you look at my mag' (link above) imagine someone who knows how to use a mag and a Q well using that with a high output pressure. I can RT like Zak Vetter with the fastest loading system on the market out there and shoot or turn around any angle with no profile. All you see is my barrel and my mask so in a way I could one of the most dangerous people on the field. In theory, but I am not really that good. you have just got to give it a lot of patience and attention to get used to it.

/end rant/

pft
anyone can do what zak did.
he was the first to video tape it and make a big deal about it.

but yeah it is fun to do.

[Freedy500]

my computer was all jacked up so it entered the post when I wasn't finished with it yet. I just edited the post to how it would have been without multi-quoting anyway. Too lazy to fix it . Oh god I suck at multi-quoting anyway.

Back on topic. Yes it is always fun to scare someone with an RT but my point was that Qloaders are dangerous (in the good way) with people who know how to use them to their advantage. They don't suck they simply aren't for everyone. Besides it can get pretty difficult to hit someone like me with barely any of there mask showing.

Although the 2 biggest things anyone who has ever used or still does use Qloaders can agree on are these. We all hate the carrying capacity and the cost. 20 bucks a pod is quite different from usually spending 1-6 dollars a pod and this thing counts as your hopper so you have under half the carrying capacity at 100 rounds a pod. I just wanted to express that Q's aren't complete pieces of crap. Sure they have there flaws but what doesn't

[Justus]

I've got video of my ETac in mech-only mode, Qloaded (before I sold it off), shooting 20.5 bps. At that point I was having problems with my E-mode, since fixed, but that episode taught me that I'm better off with my SHP reg turned down to 950 psi instead of 1100 psi. Video Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djHYkl_UUAM&t=1m0s

This is in a completely battery-free mode, remember.

[GoatBoy]

Just sayin'. If they're as bad as people on forums claim they are, then they should be no threat. Ya feelin me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eae-dpnSc-0

BTAutoMag: not everyone needs to get their jollies off in a tournament format. Good ol' fashioned recball is bigger than tournament ball.