Pump Mag Opinions needed...

[Wacko]

Hi,

I'm in the middle of changing over to pump and would like a real honest opinion on the pump mag compared to other pump platforms. I have a sniper and I have a tendency of double feeding, but I know that should go away over time.

What is your honest opinion on a pump mag.... Is it worth 150 for a pump kit, 50 for milling, and 150 to 200 for a automag? Or is the ccm t2 that much better.

I was under the impression that pump mags have the smoothest pump pull and you don't need to hold the rod forward to fire consistently. Your opinion would be greatly appreciated.

[Nobody]

anyone can buy a CCM pump, how many people build a pump mag?

do something that will get you noticed, something that no one else has(or at least can't order).

also, check the detent and check the bore that you are using on your sniper, or try not using a force feed loader. though if you are using a forcefeed loader, you might have to change the detent to something stronger.

[Runamok]

I've HAD a pgp and phantom, they'er ok. I HAVE 2 Sterlings{old Bronzes} and A PUMP MAG. I love all three. My mag is by far the shortest & smoothest stroke.


Niether would ever be called small or camo'd but boy will they shoot!
Build a Mag and then go crazy with the mod's.

[Wacko]

I think on of the hardest transitions to pump is cocking the marker completely and returning the rod all the way out before your fire. Since you are not actually holding on to the bolt like an autococker, do you have to do a full cocking motion with an automag?

Are there differences in the four pump kits out there?
I know the cerbius and AGD are suppose to be identical.
What about the x15 and Rainman's?
Do these pump kits all use the same cocking concept or does one have a shorter cocking mechanism?

I've done a lot of research,but still have a lot of questions... I've even seen a French air smith create an a auto trigger for his pump mag, I just need a bit more info before I pull the trigger.

Thanks.

[sQuidvision]

This probably wont be the most well received answer, but its based on my experience.

If you are serious about getting into pump play i would avoid pump mags. Dont get me wrong, i love mags, but there are a couple significant shortcomings with the mag platform when you convert it to pump:
1. No Autotrigger - yea yea yea, you don't need an auto-trigger, but if you are going to play pump competitively you would be limiting yourself by not having it.
2. Efficiency - this may be more of a personal prefference thing, but i run my pump with a 13ci tank. My T2 gets near 200 shots on a 13/3000, my pump mag was lucky to break 100. If you are going to run your marker with a 68/45 anyhow this will clearly not be a deciding factor.
3. Reliability *flame suit on!* - I have been plagued with issues with both of the pump mags i have put together. the first one would occasionally/randomly spew air out of the bolt after being re-cocked and wouldn't stop until it was de-gassed then re-gassed. My second pump mag had a nasty habit of returning itself to being a semi-auto which kind of defeated the point of having a pump. Admittedly these were both issues of not having my pump mags tuned properly, but it was not for lack of effort. I cant even tell you how many times i tried shortening the return spring for the semi-auto issue, swapping wave springs, ect. the first mag with the leaking issue i never resolved.

There are two things i really liked about the pump mag platform... super easy pump stroke and detents! but after the reliability issues i gave up on both of them. i now have a T2 and couldnt be happier. I still run a mag anytime i want to play mech/semi but for pump i am completely sold on CCM.

[automag_holder]

I've had 3 pump mags, and there great. But all of mine were agd pump mags, i didnt buy any of those homemade pumpmags. I've had the classic powerfeed, minimag powerfeed, and a converted classic powerfeed body into a stock class body using a phantom tube. The only problem i had was when i added the lvl 10 and it would hiss air every once in a while. But i did read somewhere that pumpmags were designed to work with the lvl 7 bolt. I kick myself every day for getting rid of it.

Here's a pic of one of my old pumpmags.

[captian pinky]

i have owned 3 pump mags aswell loved the last one the most. the first one had a lvl 7 bolt and had the semi issue. the 2nd had a lvl 7 and had the semi issue but also rubbed my ule so much so that sometimes the pump would not return. it was one of the cerberus kits. wasn't a fan of the rubbing. i like the agd kits and the rainman. the rainman is what im running now and love it to death. much smoother than the other kits.

i also own a s6 and a s6.5. ccm is the way to go if you are going to play competitively plain and simple. they are smooth and have plenty of maintenance guides on mcb on how to set them up and tune them. i have also owned a ton of other sniper pumps and have come to the conclusion they just arent ccm. no matter how many ccm parts go in it they just arent ccm.

if your interested next time im home in charleston i can let you shoot my pump mag out at pbc.

[Henchman]

Squid, doesn't having an auto trigger kinda defeat the whole purpose of a pump?
You might as well just shoot a regular paintball gun, if you're going to run a pump with an auto trigger.

[sQuidvision]

Squid, doesn't having an auto trigger kinda defeat the whole purpose of a pump?
You might as well just shoot a regular paintball gun, if you're going to run a pump with an auto trigger.

This is a popular opinion (and i dont necessarily disagree with you) but in competition the point is to win, so if your opponents can AT you probably should be able to as well.

[Ando]

I personally have a bunch of them.

I like them a lot. If you go with any kit, go with the Rainman kits. I've use every kit out there and Rainman's is probably best out of the 4-5 kits out.

1. Rainman
2. AGD
3. XM
4. Cerberus. ( Lots of tweeking needed but once you get it straight. It's on par with AGD.)

[Wacko]

From what I'm hearing..people love their automag pump, but I don't feel like anyone actually uses their pumpmag on a competitive scene because of one issue or another.

Thank you for those who have posted. I have personally never seen a pump mag here in northern CA so it's difficulty to try one out. My main concern is to have a stale and consistent marker that I don't need to worry about on game days. I was oping that the mag was the option, but even among the most knowledgable of AO members, the pump system is just not perfected enough.

Thanks.

[captian pinky]

i have never had an issue with my newest pump mag. just takes a bit of tuning. some people tell you to only run a lvl 7 well there are a couple things you can do to tune both bolt systems.

lvl 7
using a worn bolt will help get rid of the semi auto issue
moving the powertube oring in front of the spacer will help keep it from leaking down the barrel but make the pump stroke harder.
adjusting the spacers as normal.
i have had good experiences using then spring in the lvl7 bolts not sure why.

lvl10
using a worn spring
adjusting the powertube spacer takes agood bit of love
i think you can move an oring somewhere but i forgot

ill have to have my bro check mine tomorrow.

[cougar20th]

From what I'm hearing..people love their automag pump, but I don't feel like anyone actually uses their pumpmag on a competitive scene because of one issue or another.

Thank you for those who have posted. I have personally never seen a pump mag here in northern CA so it's difficulty to try one out. My main concern is to have a stale and consistent marker that I don't need to worry about on game days. I was oping that the mag was the option, but even among the most knowledgable of AO members, the pump system is just not perfected enough.

Thanks.

Im thinking the main reason people dont use pumpmags in open class tournements is the lack of any type of autotrigger. Electro or pump it still comes down to the more paint you can throw the more chances you have of that lucky hit.

[need4reebs]

i have owned 3 pump mags aswell loved the last one the most. the first one had a lvl 7 bolt and had the semi issue. the 2nd had a lvl 7 and had the semi issue but also rubbed my ule so much so that sometimes the pump would not return. it was one of the cerberus kits. wasn't a fan of the rubbing. i like the agd kits and the rainman. the rainman is what im running now and love it to death. much smoother than the other kits.

i also own a s6 and a s6.5. ccm is the way to go if you are going to play competitively plain and simple. they are smooth and have plenty of maintenance guides on mcb on how to set them up and tune them. i have also owned a ton of other sniper pumps and have come to the conclusion they just arent ccm. no matter how many ccm parts go in it they just arent ccm.

if your interested next time im home in charleston i can let you shoot my pump mag out at pbc.

just take superman up on his offer to let you use his pumpmag....that way you will know for your self and make your decision a lot easier! any pump marker will shoot great if built right and taken care of

[cockerpunk]

I personally have a bunch of them.

I like them a lot. If you go with any kit, go with the Rainman kits. I've use every kit out there and Rainman's is probably best out of the 4-5 kits out.

1. Rainman
2. AGD
3. XM
4. Cerberus. ( Lots of tweeking needed but once you get it straight. It's on par with AGD.)

i disagree so vehemently.

i loved my pump mag, but i HATED my rainman kit. the whole set screw in a slot idea is the worst thing ever. to tight and your pump stroke sucks, too loos and you putt the pump arm right off the front of the gun mid-game. happened to me more times then i can count.