Pump Mag Opinions needed...

[Ando]

This "set screw in a slot".

Are we talking about the pump rod that screws into the little slot on the pump handle?

Never knew there was an issue with that

I have a ver 1 and 2. They both seem to act and operate the same. Unless my first one is a 1.5 ver or something

[need4reebs]

that gun is long long gone. i didn't want to have to hit it with my own mill to fix it, it just wasn't worth it given the collection i had/have. funny though, we all and you especially love to talk about how well designed and reliable automags are, but the second there is a problem, its obviously me. not rainman's silly set screw in a slot on the pump arm retaining system. lol.



i like pump mags, and the lack of autotrigger is kind of misnomer, the trigger on a pump mag is dead until you pump, so the gun tells you pretty actively when its ready to be shot again, i found i could shoot pretty damn fast with just the automags natural trigger response. as i said, my only complaint was the rainman kit, im sure an AGD kit would work wonderfully.

pump mags are also really nice in that they are open bolt, so you dont have to match or underbore to make it work.

that issue was fixed with his V2 version...and that wasnt really a big deal...especially for being his first effort building a mag pump kit? your you tube video sure does seem like you like pump mags...sup with all tha negativity PUNK!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCOtUMm1pw

[BigEvil]

that gun is long long gone. i didn't want to have to hit it with my own mill to fix it, it just wasn't worth it given the collection i had/have. funny though, we all and you especially love to talk about how well designed and reliable automags are, but the second there is a problem, its obviously me. not rainman's silly set screw in a slot on the pump arm retaining system. lol.



i like pump mags, and the lack of autotrigger is kind of misnomer, the trigger on a pump mag is dead until you pump, so the gun tells you pretty actively when its ready to be shot again, i found i could shoot pretty damn fast with just the automags natural trigger response. as i said, my only complaint was the rainman kit, im sure an AGD kit would work wonderfully.

pump mags are also really nice in that they are open bolt, so you dont have to match or underbore to make it work.

First of all, dont lump me in with 'talking about how well designed" ANYTHING is numbnuts. Second of all, you arent talking about an AGD part - you are talking about an NON-AGD aftermarket part. Like most aftermarket parts in paintball, yours apparently needed some TLC applied to it - something which I guess you were just not capable of handling. It's ok, you can admit it. We all know.

Third of all, I believe AGD said that they always had trouble with the pump kits, which is why they discontinued them. All of the aftermarket ones were lacking in one way shape or form... at least you didnt need a "Cerberus Instillation kit" on them though...

Fourthly - it is possible to make an autotrigger for these things... it's been done and something I myself have started messing with. Unfortunately trying to add one to an existing pump kit is more trouble then its worth and looks like crap.

[cockerpunk]

Of course it is a dumb design.. you cant get it to work..... amateur.

Just send it to me and I will make it all better for you.

that gun is long long gone. i didn't want to have to hit it with my own mill to fix it, it just wasn't worth it given the collection i had/have. funny though, we all and you especially love to talk about how well designed and reliable automags are, but the second there is a problem, its obviously me. not rainman's silly set screw in a slot on the pump arm retaining system. lol.



i like pump mags, and the lack of autotrigger is kind of misnomer, the trigger on a pump mag is dead until you pump, so the gun tells you pretty actively when its ready to be shot again, i found i could shoot pretty damn fast with just the automags natural trigger response. as i said, my only complaint was the rainman kit, im sure an AGD kit would work wonderfully.

pump mags are also really nice in that they are open bolt, so you dont have to match or underbore to make it work.

[BigEvil]

sorry i expect my AGD equipment to work.

the rainman kit is a dumb design, there are half a dozen easier and better things he could have done there

Of course it is a dumb design.. you cant get it to work..... amateur.

Just send it to me and I will make it all better for you.

[skipdogg]

My $.02
I have a pump mag with the AGD factory kit. I played with it exclusively for about 4-5 years. Loved it!!!! However starting this past summer I got ahold of a CCM S6.5. And I havnt used the mag pump since. So, for me I have clearly chosen the CCM over the pump mag. BUT...it is not cause the pump mag did me wrong or anything. Still love it and had no problems with it. But I just found I like the CCM more.

As for pump kits. Ironically enough I just worked on a pump mag with the XM15 kit this past weekend because it wasnt working properly. I was able to fix it, and it works great now. However.... I found the kit requires more tweaking then the AGD kit. So for that reason, I would recommend the AGD pump kit over the XM15 kit.

[Ando]

i disagree so vehemently.

i loved my pump mag, but i HATED my rainman kit. the whole set screw in a slot idea is the worst thing ever. to tight and your pump stroke sucks, too loos and you putt the pump arm right off the front of the gun mid-game. happened to me more times then i can count.

Not sure what "set screw idea" you're talking about. He had some issues with a few of the version 2 handles he put out. I sent mine back and he fixed it no problem. Give him a ring, he'll work with ya.

I have 2 of them and never had anything putt off or fall off.

[cockerpunk]

That's true,... for most amateurs.

sorry i expect my AGD equipment to work.

the rainman kit is a dumb design, there are half a dozen easier and better things he could have done there

[GEE TEE]

My team played a series of 3 man X-ball tournaments a few seasons back. I was competing against guys shooting a mixed bag of Cocker, CCM and Sterling pumps with my pump mag. Never really felt out gunned by the lack of slam fire, but slam mode isn't really my style of play. Even when I do have the option on slam fire I rarely use it. The thing I like about the Mag is it's very quiet, reliable, never chops paint and is deadly accurate. When I loan it out people are gobsmacked at how straight it shoots. Mine uses the XM15 pump kit which I really like. It took a bit of fine tuning and spring swaps to get it shooting well. I couldn't stop it leaking slightly between shots, even after swapping powertube o-ring spacers. I eventually shortened the back of the tube tip to shift the o-ring forward, and it's shot fine ever since. My team mate Richard was so impressed he asked me to build him one as well. I only have two pumps a the moment - the pumpmag and a Empire Sniper.

[Nobody]

the best thing about a pump mag is, when you buy it but don't like it, you will get your money back out of it.

[Spider-TW]

From what I'm hearing..people love their automag pump, but I don't feel like anyone actually uses their pumpmag on a competitive scene because of one issue or another.

Thank you for those who have posted. I have personally never seen a pump mag here in northern CA so it's difficulty to try one out. My main concern is to have a stale and consistent marker that I don't need to worry about on game days. I was oping that the mag was the option, but even among the most knowledgable of AO members, the pump system is just not perfected enough.

Thanks.

So are you talking about competitive pump play?

There are people that can compete with a pump mag, but there are people that compete well in open class pump tournaments using stock class markers. If you are just starting out on pump tournaments, I would just go with a CCM because it will be easier to pull out of the box and be competitive with a little more confidence.

If you take care of a tuned pump mag like you take care of a new CCM that you want to resell, it will work well. My son rolls around in the dirt with his pump mag and shoots a good amount of paint. He kept breaking wave springs until I told him I wouldn't order anymore unless he started cleaning the dirt out of them after play. Since then, he hasn't broken a wave spring. The grit was getting in the contact points in the wave spring and eating it up.

[Freedy500]

That's true,... for most amateurs.

burnnnnnneeeeeddddddd

[BigEvil]

i disagree so vehemently.

i loved my pump mag, but i HATED my rainman kit. the whole set screw in a slot idea is the worst thing ever. to tight and your pump stroke sucks, too loos and you putt the pump arm right off the front of the gun mid-game. happened to me more times then i can count.

That's true,... for most amateurs.

[cockerpunk]

I personally have a bunch of them.

I like them a lot. If you go with any kit, go with the Rainman kits. I've use every kit out there and Rainman's is probably best out of the 4-5 kits out.

1. Rainman
2. AGD
3. XM
4. Cerberus. ( Lots of tweeking needed but once you get it straight. It's on par with AGD.)

i disagree so vehemently.

i loved my pump mag, but i HATED my rainman kit. the whole set screw in a slot idea is the worst thing ever. to tight and your pump stroke sucks, too loos and you putt the pump arm right off the front of the gun mid-game. happened to me more times then i can count.

[need4reebs]

i have owned 3 pump mags aswell loved the last one the most. the first one had a lvl 7 bolt and had the semi issue. the 2nd had a lvl 7 and had the semi issue but also rubbed my ule so much so that sometimes the pump would not return. it was one of the cerberus kits. wasn't a fan of the rubbing. i like the agd kits and the rainman. the rainman is what im running now and love it to death. much smoother than the other kits.

i also own a s6 and a s6.5. ccm is the way to go if you are going to play competitively plain and simple. they are smooth and have plenty of maintenance guides on mcb on how to set them up and tune them. i have also owned a ton of other sniper pumps and have come to the conclusion they just arent ccm. no matter how many ccm parts go in it they just arent ccm.

if your interested next time im home in charleston i can let you shoot my pump mag out at pbc.

just take superman up on his offer to let you use his pumpmag....that way you will know for your self and make your decision a lot easier! any pump marker will shoot great if built right and taken care of