***SERIOUS CURSING ISSUE AND BANS GIVEN all read!***

[MagMan5446]

Whoooooooo, the song quotes weren't anywhere near the babe of the day thread. I've never gone there b4 because of my 56k, but I went to the last page to see what's up...hmmm.


Oh BTW, sorry about some of those quotes that I put in there...most of them were clean, but a couple shouldn't of been there.

[epterry]

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[soilent green]

I am not really easily offended by anything but I think that due to the nature of this forum and for the sake of giving paintball a good name this was the right action to take I have found myself useing the S word from time to time but only if I'm really mad I need to start thinking about that as all of us do I see that when we hear some thing like that columbine paintball site we get really mad and I find my self wanting to say things much worse than **** this is a good reminder for all of us to start watching our language

[Russ]

Good job cphillip and the rest of the "mod squad" (wow, I should be banned for saying that :o )

5 days is a light sentence, IMO. Keep up the good work.

Russ

[Mango]

Yes Excellent job cphilip, webby, and the rest of the Mods!! I totally agree with Shartley and Webby also.

It's good to know that people are looking out for the best interest of AO. THIS IS WHY WE ARE THE BEST OWNERS GROUP KNOWN TO MAN!! :)

[ThePatriot]

Everyone is so easily offended nowadays it sickens me, you all saw Army's bill of rights, right? One of them was you dont have the right to not be offended....people i hear more curses walking through the hallway at school for 2 minutes than i have EVER heard on AO. I am sure all of you have to, and have used these words before, i just dont see how a word itself can be harmful or offensive. Perhaps the meaning behind the word, but a simple word shouldnt offend anyone. I think banning people for 5 days because they cursed, considering the first amendment(in the case of americans) grants freedom of speech, isnt a right thing to do. Some will say that this is a private server etc... but i am pretty sure Bill Clinton established that the internet itself, and any place on it is considered a public place, now no one is going to arrest you for this, or even do anything about it, it is ur forum, and u are moderating it, but just think. Think, you might actually be breaking one's constitutional rights, by banning them.

*edit* just thought of example. For instance to join a club, a member is required to be the leader's slave for a week(all hypothetical here.) Both parties might agree, and it might be a private thing, but none the less it still breaks an amendment and can get you into trouble...

[headcase]

Sorry, but if a person agrees to the terms of service, they have basicly agreed to give up their right to free speech while on this site.

Trust me, if peoples rights were being broken by being moderated, companies like AOL would be paying out lots of money in lawsuits. But just like here, they have a TOS, and if you agree to it, you give up certain parts of your rights.

[wimag]

so it is deemed offensive only if the moderators deem it offensive??? what a crock. bunch of hypocrites.
apparently half naked chicks is okay? hey i dont mind, but if i keep hearing about this being a family friendly environment then they come from some pretty strange families.
Everyone has the right to be offended by something, but heaven forbid you say something about it if not in good with the mods.
my personal beef is Arman's "insert Hitler dancing here" sig. that majorly offends me, but it's okay he is a punk and knows no better from behind a computer screen.

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

ok first off, i come to AO and expect the mature level that AO has established that no other forum seems to keep. i have noticed quite a few people slipping things through and it seemed a few people have been testing on what they could get away with. i respect the moderator's decisions and and their responsibility to keep this the respectable place that we've all come to expect of AO. that being said, comes my second point.

i am a vulger person. depending on who i'm in the presence of, i curse pretty bad. it's something i've been trying to control, but not really very successfully. as i siad, if i'm around an adult, or someone really young, i can control it. but someone around my age or people that curse just as bad, i don't even try. the point of trying to keep it clean here is to try and show some class, which i agree with. trying to watch what we say around kids, i don't know. i know 9 year olds that could stip the paint off a wall with their mouth. parents think that they try to censor their kids to harsh language and such, they're not exposed to it. i don't know about them or any of you, but i know when i was young, everybody knew every word in the book. now again i realize that parents have to try and control their kids with this, but to think that by doing so, their kids don't behave this way is just rediculous to me. i think some adults are naive as to their childrens' tendencies when they aren't around. and i find it fairly hyporcritical that adults will swear up and down and then expect their kids not to. "i'm an adult, you're not". being adult gives you permision to be an idiot? i guess so. "do as i say, not do as i do", i always hated that.

now, i don't think that just because we all swear and have always been around it, that it should be allowed. i just wanted to bring up the point that sometimes kids can be worse than any adult. alot of parents are extremely naive about their kids and a lot of things. i guess it's kind of hard to see these things when you're not a kid anymore.

my last point is that a 5 day ban is really a nuisance at best. so you can't come on here for 5 days. bid deal. i think if you wanted to prove a point, take away their posting privaleges for a month or something like that. i don't know, that's just me.

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by wimag
so it is deemed offensive only if the moderators deem it offensive??? what a crock. bunch of hypocrites.
apparently half naked chicks is okay? hey i dont mind, but if i keep hearing about this being a family friendly environment then they come from some pretty strange families.
Everyone has the right to be offended by something, but heaven forbid you say something about it if not in good with the mods.
my personal beef is Arman's "insert Hitler dancing here" sig. that majorly offends me, but it's okay he is a punk and knows no better from behind a computer screen.

No it is not "AO constitutional" to put simply.

The terms of service on this forum is a binding contract. Cussing and circumventing filters is exclusively prohibited. It is the moderators job to enforce the rules.

There is a rule against nudity but most of the posts in the girls thread are clothed. And thus not considered nudity.

Moderation of this forum is not just in the moderators discresion. The rules are like a constitution they must uphold no more no less.

Unfortuneately, There is no rule against dancing hitlers.

Heve you read my sig? I break NO rules and still mangaged to be somewhat vulgar and offensive :) The moderators have not given me any flak yet. Because everything is within the legalities of the written rules.

There is no rule against vulgar inuendo...

The only time I have gotten flak is when I tried to circumvent the cuss filters with alternate words that were in the place of the quotes in my sig. That was a blatant violation of the rules and I was wrong.

Simply put they enforce what is written...

[wimag]

butterfingers: no i didnt read your sig. too longwinded.
so circumventing the cuss filter is a no-no but circumventing the no-nudity "rule" by posting pics of chicks with their nipples clearly showing through is okay???
that is crap, and you can argue, describe or soap box it any way you care to but it is technically the same issue.
pretty much the same issue of enforcement right?? dont think so, hence the reference to being hypocrites.
no wonder more women do not frequent this site, total lack of respect for what most want.

[tremis]

For everybody here that is offended by the cursing or the scantily clad women, I have some advice: Turn off your computer, turn off your TV and don't leave your house. And for heavens sake, don't go to a paintball field. You may be offended. Rules are rules though, if you dont like the rules here, you are free to leave. Your freedom of speech doesn't apply. It is not your 'right' to come here. therefore the owners have the 'right' to make you agree to whatever they want in order to be here. If Bill Klinton says that the internet is public space, how come there are sights that require you to pay them to visit? Simple, a private citizen owns this page, and its theirs to do with as they please. I'm still suprised that people are 'offended' by mere words or pictures of people. I myself view it as a sign of weakness, that something so simple has caused mental harm. I understand not wanting children to see it, there your kids you can decide what they do and don't see. But to claim that it has caused you distress is astonishing. Believe it or not the worlds a pretty screwed up place, there a lot worse things going on in real life than here on internet land. If this bothers you, how do you cope with real life?

Tremis

[headcase]

Why can't people see it................it's not about being offended, they broke the rules they agreed to. Thats it.

I'm sure on one here can show me something that would offend me, but I understand why the members were baned and I'm in complete agreement with the mods who choose to do so.

[Cha0tic]

why can't some of you people understand. you are at automags.org, not the rest of the world. this is a privetly owned place. you do what the mods, tom, and webby want you to do. there is no free speech, freedom this or that, or whatever. like i said before, but i'm sure noone of you read the earlier posts, there are kids of ALL ages here. i know some of the parents here that have kids on these forums. i'm sure they do not like their children seeing swearing, and naked women, although there is alot of it in the world today.


phil, miscue, army, black, i think you should post your final comments and close this thread....

[Vegeta]

Originally posted by Hysperion
so they posted some bad song lyrics...noone had to read them and it's not like you can't find them littered all over the internet....my guess is that they won't want to come back here after a ban for that and I don't blame them....I know I wouldn't....

No. You are not right. I learn quickly the cursing issues when I came here. On other forums I used to visit, we would circumvent the filters all the time (yes, even hte mods did it). On these boards I have learned not to. We DO NOT need cursing to get ANY points across. We all communicate fine without them, don't we? Harsh language may start out funny, but is more and more people use it, then that cuases more flames, and AO doesn't need any flames at all. I am actually suprised by the lack of off color and flaming content here on AO. On certain old boards I used to visit, and moderate on, (non-paintball) there was at least one new flame I had to deal with everyday. Not suprising, it all had to do with the same few people. Yes, I do make some off hand remarks now and then, but I don't come up with goofy ways to get my words by the filters. If I type one, the filters take care of it... and star the letters out. The moderators don't like that, so sometimes they edit the stars (which can be rather funny). I'm suprised at how well the mods handle these situations. When I was a mod, I would let soem things slide, and if htey turned ugly (we had people mass-flaming this one guy, calling him hte worst things, mostly sexual content) I would try my best to stop it. We even implemented mroe harsh filter to stop the massive code implementing to get the words past. Then, when people found out they couldn't use tags to trick the filters, they used PICTURES. thats right. They were that bent on cursing they would type rude remarks into pictures and post them on the forum. Well I didn't stand well on that. My most used words were "Topic Closed".

It's nice to see that most of us do fine without cursing here.