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  • vintage
    Registered User

    • Aug 2013
    • 1787

    #1

    micro mags

    is there something odd about them that keeps people from buying them. i have seen several on ebay and a couple here for sale at what i think is a good price and they aren't moving. are they that much of a niche product?
  • BTAutoMag
    AO's Problem Child
    • Oct 2001
    • 7199

    #2
    alot of them suffer from machining errors. not bad ones but bad enough to piss you off 3 min into a game during that 1 really important kill or be killed moment. theres alot of threads about it. if you click the archives above you can read some about it

    EDIT: most people have really good luck with them but the seller isnt exactly going to tell you when youre buying a lemon
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    • vintage
      Registered User

      • Aug 2013
      • 1787

      #3
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      • Patron God of Pirates
        ~pgop1.0
        • Apr 2002
        • 1196

        #4
        I can only speak for myself. I just think they are ugly.

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        • OPBN
          OldPBNoob

          • Sep 2008
          • 5240

          #5
          Post links to the ones you're talking about. The only ones that had some issues were the MM2K9 ones and even then it wasn't all of them. Maybe the ones you're looking at are overpriced.
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          • GoatBoy
            Junior Mint
            • Jun 2003
            • 1399

            #6
            Well, aside from the overwhelming and foul stench of PTP, what you got for the money doesn't seem like much.

            You get very little by way of functionality. Cocker threads, which are available elsewhere now. Feedneck options which are available elsewhere now. And the PTP detent which is nice but it's not like the other detent styles are horrible.

            I don't think you really get any decent weight reduction. With the rail built into the body, that means you can't upgrade the rail to the latest swooshy aesthetic best-looking-gun-in-the-deadbox whatever. That also extends to the foregrip, where your options become more limited.

            You buy one if you want to have something "special".

            If you like exactly what PTP gives you, you're probably good to go. There are some really "nice looking" ones out there. But if you want to change anything -- even if it's swapping out the wobbly trigger frame, I fail to see the point. IMO they're best left whole.

            I owned one very briefly from a craigslist acquisition. It was amusing, but... just wasn't worth the money that was tied up in it.
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            • Sk8ermog
              MOG = Man of God

              • May 2002
              • 4001

              #7
              Originally posted by vintage View Post
              is there something odd about them that keeps people from buying them. i have seen several on ebay and a couple here for sale at what i think is a good price and they aren't moving. are they that much of a niche product?
              I know what you mean. For awhile Micromags were pretty popular and really were considered one of the higher-end automags because of the cocker threading and compact body/rail design. The newer 2k9 body's issues did put a bit of a damper on the name "Pro Team Products," but at least they tried putting out a new product for a gun designed in the 90s.

              I also know what you mean about the prices of them going down. I've seen a lot of them with RT valves and some basic upgrades go for around $200. Actually I can confirm this because I've bought 2 micromags in the last few months at that price point. I've been grabbing them up when I see a good deal cause I have big plans for helping to correct some of the main issues of the Micromag. The 2 biggest problems I see with the micromag are: non upgradable forgrip and powerfeed feedneck. 2 issues that should be fixed once my machinist gets his mill fixed. I'll make a thread about all this once I have more info.

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              • OPBN
                OldPBNoob

                • Sep 2008
                • 5240

                #8
                Would still be curious as to which ones the OP feels aren't selling for what they're worth. Really unless they have special anodizing, they aren't coveted since there seems to have been a fair amount of them made, at least the Gen 3/4 ones. Keep in mind that unless they have the front VASA, they are hard to sell, as there are few options to replace it. Lukes made/makes a gas through for them that is quite nice, but other than that, there are few options. Not sure why so many of them came without the VASA, but nowdays people want them to have them. And PTP no longer has any. A lot of people don't like the powerfeed either on the pre 2k ones. You'll also find the chrome/nickel ones don't usually sell very well either.
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                • debruynda
                  Carlos Danger
                  • Feb 2013
                  • 302

                  #9
                  Originally posted by GoatBoy View Post
                  Well, aside from the overwhelming and foul stench of PTP, what you got for the money doesn't seem like much.

                  You get very little by way of functionality. Cocker threads, which are available elsewhere now. Feedneck options which are available elsewhere now. And the PTP detent which is nice but it's not like the other detent styles are horrible.

                  I don't think you really get any decent weight reduction. With the rail built into the body, that means you can't upgrade the rail to the latest swooshy aesthetic best-looking-gun-in-the-deadbox whatever. That also extends to the foregrip, where your options become more limited.

                  You buy one if you want to have something "special".

                  If you like exactly what PTP gives you, you're probably good to go. There are some really "nice looking" ones out there. But if you want to change anything -- even if it's swapping out the wobbly trigger frame, I fail to see the point. IMO they're best left whole.

                  I owned one very briefly from a craigslist acquisition. It was amusing, but... just wasn't worth the money that was tied up in it.
                  Do they have feedneck options?

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                  • OPBN
                    OldPBNoob

                    • Sep 2008
                    • 5240

                    #10
                    Originally posted by debruynda View Post
                    Do they have feedneck options?
                    Pre 2000 ones had powerfeed and direct feed options. 2k was vert, a handful had threaded feednecks. MM2k9's are Angel threaded.
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                    • GoatBoy
                      Junior Mint
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 1399

                      #11
                      Whoah... editor is freaking out...

                      While there was variety, it's hard to call those options. If you wanted to change, unless you had a threaded one or found a dovetail that you wanted... you sold the body and got a different one. On a normal mag, buying/selling just a body makes more sense. On a micromag, seemingly not so much.
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                      • vintage
                        Registered User

                        • Aug 2013
                        • 1787

                        #12
                        OPBN, i have seen several for$249.00 or less, some with r/t valves and killer anno that arn't selling. i'd post links if i was any good on this contraption. i'd have thought the ones with r/t valves would at least get some interest but for the most part i'm not seeing any.

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                        • OPBN
                          OldPBNoob

                          • Sep 2008
                          • 5240

                          #13
                          Originally posted by vintage View Post
                          OPBN, i have seen several for$249.00 or less, some with r/t valves and killer anno that arn't selling. i'd post links if i was any good on this contraption. i'd have thought the ones with r/t valves would at least get some interest but for the most part i'm not seeing any.
                          There are 5 Micros on EBay right now. 2 have cut frames. Both are probably not badly priced but not exactly bargains. Purple one is actually really nice, but has a pretty high starting bid. Other two are simply out of line.
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                          • MAGgot
                            Registered User

                            • Aug 2008
                            • 417

                            #14
                            The Micromag is the greatest Mag platform, and the only semi I use. The detent, feedneck, cocker barrel, rail-less design, built in expansion chamber fore-grip option, and downright BEST ano's solved the shortcomings of the classic mag. This gun was way before its time.
                            I currently own over 20 Micros, and have owned somewhere around 60. The two cut frames on Ebay are mine. None that I have ever owned have this mythical machining error that BT mentions in every Micro thread. The thread that he seems to have sourced this opinion from is one about Micro-Emag issues.
                            Long live the Micromag.
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                            • MAGgot
                              Registered User

                              • Aug 2008
                              • 417

                              #15
                              This thread need pics.







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