It's time for a new automag body... a "resurrection" automag

[luke]

I think Luke has made everything except a body...

Actually oring detent bodies have been on the to-do list for years. The oring idea has been around for awhile, I don't recall where it was that I saw it first, but it was years ago.

[Nobody]

That's why I suggested the oring type detents. I would imagine it should be easier to machine. A groove on each side of the front frame screw in the rail and matching grooves in the body.

oring detents SUCK

ICD B2K4s used oring detents and even with the body being milled for just a quarter of the oring showing through, with the bolt having relief cuts in it, and the detent would maybe last 2 cases, if that. the bolt would compress the oring either shear off the oring(which were 010 urethane orings) or just grab enough of them and get shot out. ICD on the PM which replaced the B2K4, went to a ball and spring that is the same as Freestyle, Dye DMs and such. as a retrofit, i generally stuff 1 or 2 finger detents in the same hole in order to not have to deal with the orings in any of my B2K4s, and this is from a diehard B2K guy. if anything, i would rather see the bodies threaded for cocker detents or even Mini or Axe detents and forget the hole thing. i would like to see progress forward and not taking a step back.

the comparisons with other guns do not fly. pumps don't shoot as fast as a semi and semis can't RT with the likes of an Xvalve being pumped with 1100psi from a SHP reg. so a one baller pump is worlds apart from a Xvalve putting 20bps out. so just forget that. what i would like to see is a guinea pig put a detent together that has a finger detent and even an oring detent and see how it is after a case, or 2 case, or 5 cases. that's the biggest thing. the reason for the possible mod is to make things better not to supplement a lack of supplies.

[luke]

I would imagine it should be easier to machine. A groove on each side of the front frame screw in the rail and matching grooves in the body.

"Easier" is not really a relative term, it's just a different operation.

[OPBN]

I'm actually interested in it mainly for use in a pump, so changing out a couple of O-rings or a detent every case or two wouldn't bother me. For this particular build, I would love to have a detentless Ripper body.

[BLachance75]

I don't necessarily think that ROF has anything to do with it. It has more to do with the ability of the orings to keep a modern loader of choice from pushing a ball past the orings. If the slot on the rail was deep enough so that the oring had the ability to lower out of the way of the bolt as it slides over I would think it will help with the life expectancy of the orings.

Even if you can only get 2-5 cases out of the orings I see that as an upgrade. Orings cost pennies so the cost of replacing one is very little. If you shoot out a regular detent you lost $10-20. Spyder detents are in the $1-3 range depending on where you get them. It will be the same amount of work to replace one of them as it would an oring. Personally I will go with the $.05 oring over the other options.

I have asked somebody about getting it done and I will gladly test it out. If it doesn't work then I'm out the money for the milling. I can live with the risk. Part of the reason for the mod is aesthitics, part upgrade, and part the dwindling supply of parts. Angel detents will eventually run out, orings will always be around.

[BLachance75]

"Easier" is not really a relative term, it just a different operation.

Would it be less operations though. I said "easier" thinking it would be less operations. It probably isn't the best choice of words.

[rukh013]

"Easier" is not really a relative term, it just a different operation.

what would you do?

I think ,with the newer electros using these type of detents, they have increased reliablity of the end product

[rukh013]

I'm actually interested in it mainly for use in a pump, so changing out a couple of O-rings or a detent every case or two wouldn't bother me. For this particular build, I would love to have a detentless Ripper body.

I have asked somebody about getting it done and I will gladly test it out. If it doesn't work then I'm out the money for the milling. I can live with the risk. Part of the reason for the mod is aesthitics, part upgrade, and part the dwindling supply of parts. Angel detents will eventually run out, orings will always be around.

would either of you mind PM'ing XMT about making these for yourselves to test with me?

[OPBN]

would either of you mind PM'ing XMT about making these for yourselves to test with me?

That's the problem, I'm not really in a position to throw $3-400 into a body design that end up being a paperweight if it doesn't work.

How are the O-ring detents held in?

[GoatBoy]

Only briefly scanned this thread.

I've been using dual Ego detents in my mag for quite some time now.

I switched from Spyder detents like Doc's adapter uses to Ego detents because I have more of them, and I like them a little better.

I think dual opposing finger detents are the way to go. One finger detent alone is not enough for small paint unless you use a finger which is unusually large and obtrusive.

Your setup is not completely opposing, so you'll have to take that into consideration. I think you are also precluding the possibility of a warp fed body as well. Might interfere with pump mag installation too; I'd have to look at the milling again.

All of these are reasons why I built this all into my mag2cocker adapter.

http://www.shapeways.com/model/757621/mag2cocker-v5.html

In my opinion, this would be the way to go on future bodies designed from the ground up.

Caveat: I actually haven't tested this with a hard force feed loader; at most it's been used with spring feed and First Strikes, which don't roll out anyways.

[Laku]

would something like this be possible for our current type of angel detent?


Would there be enough space in our current detent holes to have some kind of spacer and cover to hold Those Ego/spyder type detents?

[blackdeath1k]

This is what I was thinking the whole time reading this thread. Take away the nubbins and the weight, and the speed of stripping out a twist lock barrel wins over cocker threads. Only problem then becomes availability, as a lot of manufacturers already fail to make TL barrels.

But making ULE bodies designed for TL barrels and without detent holes, and then integrating a lightweight aluminum version of the TL-cocker adapter is feasible and a more cost effective way of doing this.

My aluminum twist lock freak is pretty light. I will use a different barrel when I mill and prototype retrofitting 2 spyder finger detents in a tl barrel though. I love my TL. Detents are there only downfall to me.

[Spider-TW]

Detents are there only downfall to me.

Fodder for another thread; it would be nice to have some space-age, color coded nubbins that you could just change out for more or less detent action.

[blackdeath1k]

Actually if you read from the beginning it fits in this thread. While talking about finger detents. If they can work in a ule body they could work in a TL.

I renig! You are talking about special detents with different tensions. OK. Yes. That would not fit this thread.

GOAT. What does an ego detent look like? Can't say I've seen that style. Thought most all newer stuff went to ball detents.

[Spider-TW]

Actually if you read from the beginning it fits in this thread. While talking about finger detents. If they can work in a ule body they could work in a TL.

I renig! You are talking about special detents with different tensions. OK. Yes. That would not fit this thread.

GOAT. What does an ego detent look like? Can't say I've seen that style. Thought most all newer stuff went to ball detents.

You might only need a mill bit to put a pocket on a TL barrel, using the existing thru-slot for the finger. It should be a reversible change as well (you could go back to nubbins). Another good test.