barrel kits, correct bore. idk

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  • RT Lover
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    • Nov 2011
    • 789

    #16
    well i remember on older barrels that were the same size through i could get some serious distance.... what can i do to recoup this loss?
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    • RT Lover
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      • Nov 2011
      • 789

      #17
      Originally posted by going_home
      I use my extra long Freak tip.
      thats all the length you use allen?
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      • Cyco-Dude

        #18
        Originally posted by RT Lover
        well i remember on older barrels that were the same size through i could get some serious distance.... what can i do to recoup this loss?
        this is not true. regardless of barrel (with the exception of flatline / apex and different projectiles; first strike, etc), a paintball leaving the end of a barrel at 280fps will travel the same distance. so 18" single bore, or freak with a 5" control bore and the rest .7 overbored...doesn't matter, if the velocity is the same the distance will be the same. it's basic physics.

        now, if you were remember greater distances from paintball guns say...in the mid-ninties, you have to keep in mind that the field limit back then was 300fps. so in that case, yes, those paintballs would fly farther, because they are moving faster and cover more ground before gravity (which is constant) pulls them down into the dirt.

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        • RT Lover
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          • Nov 2011
          • 789

          #19
          field we ran 280, i know for sure i worked there... i was paid with paint lol!!
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          • athomas
            Of course it works-its AGD
            • Jan 2002
            • 8039

            #20
            Originally posted by RT Lover
            well i remember on older barrels that were the same size through i could get some serious distance.... what can i do to recoup this loss?
            It is a myth that one barrel gives more distance than another. You can't beat physics where the horizontal speed is equal in all barrels and gravity pulling the ball down is also equal. Therefore, all barrels shoot the same distance. The exception are barrels that impart a controlled bottom spin on the ball to cause the magnus effect and provide extra lift. These balls will travel farther but at the expense of impact power and accuracy.

            Certain guns seemed to shoot farther than others, but that was just perception based on the location of the barrel positioned in the body, causing the tip of the barrel to be elevated from level giving the fired ball some extra arc.
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            • RT Lover
              nothing special
              • Nov 2011
              • 789

              #21
              right now it doesn't seem I have very good accuracy I have a barrel kit!!
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              • Cyco-Dude

                #22
                Originally posted by RT Lover
                right now it doesn't seem I have very good accuracy I have a barrel kit!!
                well, paintballs are an inherently poor projectile. the best you can do is make sure your barrel is clean, make sure your paint is clean, and try to get the best paintballs possible. higher end paint has smoother seams, and is generally more consistent in size and shape (there are exceptions as always).

                for shot spread, the smoother the seam the better. the air will catch a larger seam as the ball slows down and it'll end up in a larger shot spread. rntlee did some pretty cool tests that were posted on the milsig forums (long gone, which is a shame). in a nutshell, crappy paint with large seams that catch the fingernail had a larger shot spread. he took the same paint, shaved the seams down smooth with a razor and shot them through the same bench-mounted marker. they had a much tighter shot spread, comparable to marballizers (which have very smooth seams).

                paintballs that are consistent in size and shape will have consistent velocities over the chronograph. meaning, they will all travel about the same distance, and fall in the same general area. paint that is less consistent will have a wider velocity range, which means some paint will exit the barrel faster (and travel farther), thus overshooting your target. meanwhile, the smaller sizes will exit slower (and travel a shorter distance), thus falling short of your target.

                the ideal is a perfectly smooth, perfectly round paintball, where every paintball is the exact same size.

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                • RT Lover
                  nothing special
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 789

                  #23
                  i remember years ago on the crono it being damn consistent with numbers, now i notice a +/- 20 fps on my markers that would usually run +/- 10 fps

                  so should i run a slightly tighter bore on my barrels?
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                  • dboggs79
                    Registered User
                    • Jun 2010
                    • 467

                    #24
                    Originally posted by RT Lover
                    i remember years ago on the crono it being damn consistent with numbers, now i notice a +/- 20 fps on my markers that would usually run +/- 10 fps

                    so should i run a slightly tighter bore on my barrels?
                    Sounds like you've got some bad paint if its jumping +/- 20 fps. That or you need some maintenance and tuning done on your marker.

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                    • Cyco-Dude

                      #25
                      it could be your paint. especially if you used high-end paint years ago (however long ago that was). for example, the marballizers you could get 10+ years ago are not the same marballizers that you get these days...unfortunately.

                      it could also be your bore though. if your barrel bore is an average of your paint size, it will be less consistent. you either want a slight underbore based on the smallest dimension of the smallest paintball, or an overbore based on the largest dimension of the largest paintball. a ball sizer is handy here, and a large sample size.

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                      • athomas
                        Of course it works-its AGD
                        • Jan 2002
                        • 8039

                        #26
                        Under boring is more efficient, but one brittle ball can cause a big mess when it gets mashed into a barrel that is too tight.

                        Over boring gives up efficiency but pretty much guarantees no barrel breaks.

                        Both provide excellent consistency averaging. I personally use over boring.
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                        • RT Lover
                          nothing special
                          • Nov 2011
                          • 789

                          #27
                          so just snug right at the top? how far down the barrel b4 it gets bigger?
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